The war in Ukraine...

[Treg]

F16s operational in Ukraine by the end of the week?

 

[DrWazzock]

The politicians have simply done what their electorate wanted them too.
The majority did not wish to abandon the Ukrainians to the russian agression, nor they wish to take on the russians more fully with obvious greater risk.
This policy has enabled flag(ukrainian) waving in british streets and armchair generalship in abundance.

Seems like we (the West, including USA) couldn’t even get sufficient arms there quickly enough but instead decided to use the issue as a domestic political bargaining chip (USA). That seemed incredibly stupid to me. We get the outcome we deserve generally : a catalogue of errors has lead up to this. And when was listening to the electorate ever the road to good statesmanship? They should be leading from the front not following from behind.

 

[BrianV]

Risky business but then politicians don't ever pick up the tab that's left to the poor devils that get clobbered with the consequences.

A raid on Russian assets would risk everything​

Seizing Russia’s funds in Europe to arm Ukraine may be a tempting plan – but it could wreck the West’s economic advantage.
By Wolfgang Münchau

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[essex man]

Seems like we (the West, including USA) couldn’t even get sufficient arms there quickly enough but instead decided to use the issue as a domestic political bargaining chip (USA). That seemed incredibly stupid to me. We get the outcome we deserve generally : a catalogue of errors has lead up to this. And when was listening to the electorate ever the road to good statesmanship? They should be leading from the front not following from behind.

Didn't say it was good statesmanship or sensible.
Clearly the policy could have been better, simply pointing out the popular will is mot to take risks on Ukraine's behalf and that policies reflect that.

 

[its yourself]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785705384210002280

 

[BrianV]

Russians intensify attacks on Avdiivka front; 121 clashes occur in total over past day – Ukraine’s General Staff

799 day of Russia’s large-scale armed aggression against Ukraine: 121 military clashes occurred at the front

www.pravda.com.ua

 

[BrianV]

China buys huge £135billion stockpile of gold raising fears Beijing is preparing to invade Taiwan and protect its economy in the event of Western sanctions​

By DAVID AVERRE

PUBLISHED: 15:58, 30 April 2024 | UPDATED: 16:56, 30 April 2024
China-buys-huge-135billion-stockpile-gold-raising-fears-Beijing-preparing-invade-Taiwan-protect-economy-event-Western-sanctions.html

 

[Devil's advocate]

But that has always been difficult with high up Russians threatening to throw nukes

Only a problem if we listen to them.

Make sure plenty of nukes are aimed at high up Russians & just carry on as normal.

 

[czechmate]

Only a problem if we listen to them.

Make sure plenty of nukes are aimed at high up Russians & just carry on as normal.

Maybe.
High stakes games

 

[BrianV]

Half of Ukraine's energy system damaged – Ukraine's Foreign Minister​

ECONOMICHNA PRAVDA — THURSDAY, 2 MAY 2024, 10:24
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[Happy at it]

Only a problem if we listen to them.

Make sure plenty of nukes are aimed at high up Russians & just carry on as normal.

Exactly, what's the worst that could happen, a nuclear holocaust never hurt anyone..

 

[BrianV]

Exactly, what's the worst that could happen, a nuclear holocaust never hurt anyone..

It's the fear of Russia using nukes into Ukraine that's the problem, the West would not start WW3 if Russia become desperate enough to do it, the West are playing a very dangerous game of just how far to push Russia before they do.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Anyone believing putins supporters are prepared to die for his delusions need to go out and get some fresh air.

 

[Happy at it]

Anyone believing putins supporters are prepared to die for his delusions need to go out and get some fresh air.

Have no Russian soldiers been killed in the conflict yet?

 

[Charlie Gill]

Have no Russian soldiers been killed in the conflict yet?

Sorry, used the wrong description. I meant putins enablers, the oligarchs, the heads of the military, security services etc. All the million/billionaires enjoying life in the background. I can't see them supporting MAD over a plot of land.

 

[czechmate]

Sorry, used the wrong description. I meant putins enablers, the oligarchs, the heads of the military, security services etc. All the million/billionaires enjoying life in the background. I can't see them supporting MAD over a plot of land.

some are falling out of windows

 

[Charlie Gill]

some are falling out of windows

I often wonder what the red line is that will cause putin to have a nasty fall.

 

[renewablejohn]

I often wonder what the red line is that will cause putin to have a nasty fall.

Would make no difference as were on to the third Putin now if the voice scans are to be believed.

 

[BrianV]

Course we will after all no shortage of money here in the UK, "loads of money Cameron".

Britain’s Cameron, in Kyiv, promises Ukraine aid for ‘as long as it takes’​

Britain's Foreign Secretary David Cameron said Ukraine had a right to use the weapons provided by London to strike targets inside Russia, and that it was up to Kyiv whether to do so. — Reuters pic
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Thursday, 02 May 2024 11:12 PM MYT

Britain’s Cameron, in Kyiv, promises Ukraine aid for ‘as long as it takes’

 

[czechmate]

Course we will after all no shortage of money here in the UK, "loads of money Cameron".

Britain’s Cameron, in Kyiv, promises Ukraine aid for ‘as long as it takes’​

Britain's Foreign Secretary David Cameron said Ukraine had a right to use the weapons provided by London to strike targets inside Russia, and that it was up to Kyiv whether to do so. — Reuters pic
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Thursday, 02 May 2024 11:12 PM MYT

Britain’s Cameron, in Kyiv, promises Ukraine aid for ‘as long as it takes’

Good on him