JohnGalway
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A lot of orcish stuff going bang lately, they put on quite the spectacular display
The war in Ukraine...
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A fair percentage of the most outrageous claims is very doubtful or an outright lie.
Russians raped Babies
Ukraine claims baby, one, died after being raped by Russian soldiers
Other allegations include the rape of three nine-year-old triplets in front of their mother, the rape of a two-year-old girl who survived, and the rape of two ten-year-old boys.
Had no evidence and that harmed Ukraines reputation. So its very doubtfull
Why Ukraine's human rights chief Lyudmila Denisova was fired – DW – 06/03/2022
The country's ombudsperson for human rights, Lyudmyla Denisova, is accused of having neglected her duties. But human rights activists have criticized her dismissal.
www.dw.com
Snake Island Defenders dying for Ukraine
Snake Island bombshell: Are the Ukraine defenders still alive?
There's been a major twist after all defenders of Snake Island were reportedly 'killed'.
www.nzherald.co.nz
Didnt happen
Ghost of Kiev
Ghost of Kyiv - Wikipedia
Countless reports that X and Y were killed if it isnt true.
Azov not being a bunch of facist twits is also a lie.
Ukraine not abusing Russian prisoners while claiming that Russia abuses Ukrainian prisoners is also false
There are Videos out there that are easy to find that show the Ukrainians popping kneecaps and cutting throats.
However that doesnt matter as long as something sticks and people here get outraged about Russian Orcs
Absolutely, these people need help and I find it good that we are helping them.
However, there is a difference between ordinary Ukrainians fleeing the war and the credibility of the Ukrainian Government's claims.
If it looked around America's coast like this I would Agree, but China doesn't look like an aggressor to me hereDaft question.
Entirely reasonable statement based on historical precedent and current knowledge.
China could be a huge problem, if only there was a way to convince it the West would defend NZ...
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Charlie Gill
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If you ignore the "lies and horror" that you think are bollox are you still not left feeling the same about the whole situation?
Putin has quite a slant from a side view.
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Terrible for Afghanistan but there are some differences to Ukraine.
We were forced to go in because of the sheilding of Bin Laden & the excesses of the Taliban.
Sadly a credible united oppostion did not exist. At the end ordinary Afgans ran from the Taliban instead of fighting like Ukraine.
Of course many good & decent people suffered in all the countries you mentioned. But we were not their to steal the country, you never saw fridges stolen from houses or mass rape. The leadership of those countries were all despots & in a poor state before we went.
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If the Republicans take over the HoR in the elections later this year, will America continue its support for Ukraine?
Yes, the main concern is having a war inside their home country.
Which has a pretty big impact on their wellbeing and security.
In that regard, it's not up to the fact if I believe those exaggerated or made up stories because what it comes down to is destruction and risk of their health due to the war.
The reason that the occupation of Afghanistan failed isn't that ordinary people ran from the taliban.
The reason it failed is that ordinary people or a large portion of the people supported the Taliban, otherwise it wouldn't have happened like it did.
Danllan
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Putin will do / take whatever he can get away with, and everybody knows this.
It would be extremely difficult to 'sneak up' on anywhere with the amount of force necessary. And, in an case, any rational person who actually believed what you have written would see the sense in doing things now that would make that future scenario less likely or impossible.
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The way I see it is like this. Ukraine is out gunned 5 to 1, a fact mentioned by their commanders last night on the BBC. No sane person believes Ukraine can win this war militarily. The horse has bolted. The stable door is wide open. It’s too late. So how many more granny flats, ordinary folks appartnebts, schools, businesses and hospitals never mind innocent lives is it worth destroying to prove this point?
It’s a bit like the situation if somebody came to claim this farm. I’d have a damn good try at repelling them but I wouldn’t insist the entire village was flattened in the fight. So we have to be realistic and say OK, morally we are right but fighting a lost cause isn’t going to help anybody.
We need to be realistic. We need to tell Putin that he might have got away with this but one boot into a NATO member country and he will face a crushing nuclear strike and we are fully prepared for the consequences. This is the only way you will stop a nutter like Putin.
It’s a bit like the situation if somebody came to claim this farm. I’d have a damn good try at repelling them but I wouldn’t insist the entire village was flattened in the fight. So we have to be realistic and say OK, morally we are right but fighting a lost cause isn’t going to help anybody.
We need to be realistic. We need to tell Putin that he might have got away with this but one boot into a NATO member country and he will face a crushing nuclear strike and we are fully prepared for the consequences. This is the only way you will stop a nutter like Putin.
Hindsight
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Great if you are in the club. Not so good if you were denied membership. Hey ho. Oh by the way you cannot have any of my oil and gas or grains as you are not in my club. Go hungry - tough titties!
Clever how the West ban all Russian exports & imports except of course the things that the west want, somewhat hypocritical don't you think!
Hindsight
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Tis the world Brian, tis the world.
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We simply cannot police every dispute everywhere. We don’t their gas or grain. Let those who do need it sort it out themselves. Not sure why every problem is our problem.
With respect, you're post is ridiculous. America only involves itself in wars in countries which are rich in resources. Afaganistan and Iraq are both rich in natural resources.
Energy/management and construction companies partly owned by the families of politicians are often involved with extracting the wealth from war torn countries after the wars end.
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There are camps in China detaining and “re-educating” ethnic minorities. Ah well that’s a bit further away and they aren’t white so let’s sweep that one under the carpet.
Nope, this Ukraine war has given rise to special kind of woke naivety.
Nope, this Ukraine war has given rise to special kind of woke naivety.
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We don't need their gas or grain. Mmmm. maybe. But at the moment that grain is not getting out to African countries. Why. Well first of all Russian actions whether intentional or not prevent/deter shipping from Ukrainian ports. Second Western sanctions will maybe make it difficult for Russia to ship its grain. What will you be saying if say a few million African folk say - hey tell you what lets pitch up in Europe - abolutely fine you will say as they can live in France and Spain - that is near to Africa. But lo French and Spanish government let these poor folk trundle up to the northern coast where they can take a boat across to Blighty. Fine you say, we will catch the beggars and fly them back to Rwanda - so they can start again. What a complex world Dr W, a complex world. All beyond me. But one thing I do know what happens elsewhere has a habit of affecting me here. Hey ho. Back to field walking. Cheers.
Iraq yes. Afghanistan not so much.
However the Chinese will build some nice mines there now without firing a single bullet.