The war in Ukraine...

[quattro]

Does it need nato, why can’t all the countrys who's against Russia doing what there doing tell him to stop or face us all
how do we stand back and let him get away with it
its embarrassing to see him do what he’s doing

 

[Raider112]

Surely you know what a war involves, people die whether indoors or outdoors & when you tell the enemy & the world that civilians are being armed & trained without uniform then everyone becomes a target, just be thankful those scenes aren't from your main street as many on here would like it to be!

I know what a war involves and 99% of us know war crimes when they see them.
Are you saying that widespread rape, torture and murder of innocent civilians is just Russia picking off legitimate targets?

Those savages deserve anything nasty that comes to them, I thought we'd seen the last of that when we defeated Hitler.

Are you one of the 1%?

 

[Muck Spreader]

The US is in favour of unequivocal US power. They very nearly entered WW2 on the side of Hitler ( he was seen as the winning side at the time) until the Japanese committed suicide with Pearl Harbour. It was only because they were in axis with Hitler that the yanks then quickly changed tack. They saw Europe as a massive economic opportunity. There's evidence out there that they had actual plans to overthrow Britain and take control of Europe after defeating Hitler. The US elites are definitely noones friend.

It wouldn't surprise me if they aren't planning a large scale war with China (there real enemy right now). By using Ukraine to potentially destroy the current Russian regime they could potentially remove China's biggest ally from the battlefield, before the war has even begun.

I ridiculous statement, the US never contemplated joining Hitler. The was a strong lobby lead by many notable Americans not to enter into the war at all. Fortunately for us, Roosevelt did work tirelessly to firstly to supply the UK with everything it needed and then to get the US fully involved.

 

[BrianV]

I know what a war involves and 99% of us know war crimes when they see them.
Are you saying that widespread rape, torture and murder of innocent civilians is just Russia picking off legitimate targets?

Those savages deserve anything nasty that comes to them, I thought we'd seen the last of that when we defeated Hitler.

Are you one of the 1%?

Talk of prosecuting war crimes is just political bluster, how do you ever prove who is responsible for these heinous crimes, the soldiers involved, the next level of seniority, the generals who've been probably shot already, the generals in Moscow or Putin himself, how do you ever decide who is the actual guilty party who "ordered" these crimes.
When Zelensky recruited civilians out of uniform & informed the world they had been issued with government arms & had become combatants then who decides who is a "soldier" & who is a civilian?
Don't think I wouldn't be happy to see the buggers hanging from the nearest tree but you have to be realistic in what can be done about it.

 

[JohnGalway]

Retreating east from kyiv and trapping ukraine soldiers in donetsk who will end up fighting russians back and front

They came from the North and North East and are retreating that way, not East. russians use railways to move equipment around, already many images from Belarus of damaged equipment and working equipment loaded onto rail cars.

 

[arcobob]

Nothing happens without a motive. German technological expertise had given rise to top rocket scientists and in many other fields that were considered not for Russian hands. Many centres of excellence were in what became East Germany and fell under Russian control and there was a mad scramble to secure a passage to the west at the end of the war of the top brains. The US recognised this and thus became involved in European land battles towards the end of the war. The end game for them was far beyond saving GB or the rest of Europe from Nazi control but from Russian control.
The Nazis lost but, more importantly for the US, so did the Russians.

 

[spin cycle]

America thrives on war. It made them in WW2 after the wall street crash. There entire economy is geared towards it. Hence why they've been involved in the most amount of conflicts, globally, of any nation in the last 100 years.

The US are opportunists and represent a multi- cultural society. They were late on parade in WW2 because of the German influence within their population. The Japanese sealed the deal with Pearl Harbour. Our little skirmish in Europe was not a serious US concern at the time. They have been long term allies but only when it suited them. NATO shows flaws and weaknesses but perhaps it ensures that the US is unequivically in favour of world democratic unity.

The US is in favour of unequivocal US power. They very nearly entered WW2 on the side of Hitler ( he was seen as the winning side at the time) until the Japanese committed suicide with Pearl Harbour. It was only because they were in axis with Hitler that the yanks then quickly changed tack. They saw Europe as a massive economic opportunity. There's evidence out there that they had actual plans to overthrow Britain and take control of Europe after defeating Hitler. The US elites are definitely noones friend.

It wouldn't surprise me if they aren't planning a large scale war with China (there real enemy right now). By using Ukraine to potentially destroy the current Russian regime they could potentially remove China's biggest ally from the battlefield, before the war has even begun.

what a load of bollox......the usa does it's best but nothing is perfect

i for one appreciate them

 

[Hindsight]

The US is in favour of unequivocal US power. They very nearly entered WW2 on the side of Hitler ( he was seen as the winning side at the time) until the Japanese committed suicide with Pearl Harbour. It was only because they were in axis with Hitler that the yanks then quickly changed tack. They saw Europe as a massive economic opportunity. There's evidence out there that they had actual plans to overthrow Britain and take control of Europe after defeating Hitler. The US elites are definitely noones friend.

It wouldn't surprise me if they aren't planning a large scale war with China (there real enemy right now). By using Ukraine to potentially destroy the current Russian regime they could potentially remove China's biggest ally from the battlefield, before the war has even begun.

Ever thought of writing a novel. You wouldn't be Tom Clancy by any chance?

 

[Danllan]

America thrives on war. It made them in WW2 after the wall street crash. There entire economy is geared towards it. Hence why they've been involved in the most amount of conflicts, globally, of any nation in the last 100 years.

You sure of that? The papers I have read have always put France out in front for number of conflicts.

The leader of the RO, the equivalent of the pope if you like, is staunchly pro Putin. I don't think we know whether that's what he really thinks, or that's what he has to say in order to keep his head.

But I have seen his bishops, or leaders in the international branches of the RO come out against them.

The leader of the RO is the leader of the RO because he is staunchly pro-Putin.

 

[Raider112]

Talk of prosecuting war crimes is just political bluster, how do you ever prove who is responsible for these heinous crimes, the soldiers involved, the next level of seniority, the generals who've been probably shot already, the generals in Moscow or Putin himself, how do you ever decide who is the actual guilty party who "ordered" these crimes.
When Zelensky recruited civilians out of uniform & informed the world they had been issued with government arms & had become combatants then who decides who is a "soldier" & who is a civilian?
Don't think I wouldn't be happy to see the buggers hanging from the nearest tree but you have to be realistic in what can be done about it.

They managed it OK in the Balkans? there's plenty of evidence out there, Putin's in charge of policy, I don't know how it works but logically it should be him first then work down.
Getting them into a courtroom will be the hard part.

 

[The Agrarian]

You sure of that? The papers I have read have always put France out in front for number of conflicts.


The leader of the RO is the leader of the RO because he is staunchly pro-Putin.

Well, chicken and egg really. Whichever came first, he has little option if he wants to avoid spending the remainder of his life on permafrost.

 

[JohnGalway]

Speaks for itself

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1511078904349532171

 

[Bury the Trash]

How does this man sleep at night ?

 

[Agrispeed]

Talk of prosecuting war crimes is just political bluster, how do you ever prove who is responsible for these heinous crimes, the soldiers involved, the next level of seniority, the generals who've been probably shot already, the generals in Moscow or Putin himself, how do you ever decide who is the actual guilty party who "ordered" these crimes.
When Zelensky recruited civilians out of uniform & informed the world they had been issued with government arms & had become combatants then who decides who is a "soldier" & who is a civilian?
Don't think I wouldn't be happy to see the buggers hanging from the nearest tree but you have to be realistic in what can be done about it.

Even if they are soldiers in mufti, there are victims that have their hands bound behind their back and have been executed. You can't do that to civilians or soldiers.

Also it is quite unusual for children under 4 to be considered as hostile and effective enemy forces.

May it be that the ukrainians don't want the Russians to occupy them, not because they are blinded by their leader, but because what the Russians do? If this is how the Russians have behaved in occupied areas, would you still call for Zelensky to surrender?

I'd rather fight than be tied up, tortured and executed in a basement as a civilian thanks.

 

[Devil's advocate]

Even if they are soldiers in mufti, there are victims that have their hands bound behind their back and have been executed. You can't do that to civilians or soldiers.

Also it is quite unusual for children under 4 to be considered as hostile and effective enemy forces.

May it be that the ukrainians don't want the Russians to occupy them, not because they are blinded by their leader, but because what the Russians do? If this is how the Russians have behaved in occupied areas, would you still call for Zelensky to surrender?

I'd rather fight than be tied up, tortured and executed in a basement as a civilian thanks.

This will back fire on Putin.

The allies fought much harder when evidence of concentration camps run by the nazis & work/death camps run by the japs was produced.

Most Ukranians will now fight to the death & in time Belarus will have revolution too.

 

[BrianV]

Even if they are soldiers in mufti, there are victims that have their hands bound behind their back and have been executed. You can't do that to civilians or soldiers.

Also it is quite unusual for children under 4 to be considered as hostile and effective enemy forces.

May it be that the ukrainians don't want the Russians to occupy them, not because they are blinded by their leader, but because what the Russians do? If this is how the Russians have behaved in occupied areas, would you still call for Zelensky to surrender?

I'd rather fight than be tied up, tortured and executed in a basement as a civilian thanks.

No one can possibly say they didn't know what was likely to happen the longer this goes on as it's how many wars develop, maybe not so often with our Western armies but there are many examples of previous Russian brutality & as for African disagreements those are in a whole different league of barbarity.
It 's not that long ago we were seeing the very same things in Bosnia & Yugoslavia where there were no Russians.
You would think we would learn from our mistakes & then maybe Zelensky & the West would have thought a lot more of the possible outcomes some time ago!

 

[Ashtree]

Does anybody in here have the remote control? Theres a dingbat in here needs turning off….

 

[BrianV]

This will back fire on Putin.

The allies fought much harder when evidence of concentration camps run by the nazis & work/death camps run by the japs was produced.

Most Ukranians will now fight to the death & in time Belarus will have revolution too.

If that's the case there won't be much for the Ukrainians to want to return back to, such a shocking waste of lives.

 

[MRT]

No one can possibly say they didn't know what was likely to happen the longer this goes on as it's how many wars develop, maybe not so often with our Western armies but there are many examples of previous Russian brutality & as for African disagreements those are in a whole different league of barbarity.
It 's not that long ago we were seeing the very same things in Bosnia & Yugoslavia where there were no Russians.
You would think we would learn from our mistakes & then maybe Zelensky & the West would have thought a lot more of the possible outcomes some time ago!

What are the possible outcomes of the West desserting the Ukrainians or Ukraine surrender?

 

[BrianV]

Does anybody in here have the remote control? Theres a dingbat in here needs turning off….

Time for the kids to go to bed you think!