The war in Ukraine...

[renewablejohn]

Another fire tonight (I thought there might be)

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Harder to understand why, some miltary printing perhaps?

Biggest mystery of the war, who, why, how but they do seem very good at it. Very brave & tying up a lot of ruskie rsources.

Brian V will be pleased.

Maybe sham ballot papers for his proposed elections in the Ukraine.

 

[Danllan]

Maybe sham ballot papers for his proposed elections in the Ukraine.

Obviously what was inside mattered but, in PR /morale terms, the fact that it burnt at all matters most.

 

[Agrispeed]

Obviously what was inside mattered but, in PR /morale terms, the fact that it burnt at all matters most.

With the number of high profile targets, most of which seem to be supporting the invasion what's the betting on who's behind it? Ukrainian supported or Anti-Putin/war Russian? Is this the start of an uprising - I'd say the current regime must be a bit rocky with those in Russia in the know who aren't necessarily die hard supporters.

 

[BrianV]

I have seen our anti missile system working, believe me we can sleep well.
I do agree @BrianV there will be countries less fortunate than ours & I'm certainly not sure of Eastern Europe's Anti missile capabilities but I would assume if he does a nuclear strike against any NATO country he will have to target them all ?
So he knows a nuclear weapon is a line crossed , he also knows the 2 very countries that could retaliate have effective anti missile systems, so I actually don't see the point , Ukraine was a calculated risk for Putin , a nuclear strike by him would be the end of Russia.

Three Russian missiles hitting three electric sub stations in Lviv all the way across Ukraine right through the Wests Anti missile system, obviously just three very lucky rusty old missiles hitting their targets, thank goodness I can now still sleep well.

 

[Treg]

Three Russian missiles hitting three electric sub stations in Lviv all the way across Ukraine right through the Wests Anti missile system, obviously just three very lucky rusty old missiles hitting their targets, thank goodness I can now still sleep well.

It's hardly the west's Anti missile system the Ukrainians have built a layered defence system but its 20th century rather than 21st and built up with different systems that weren't designed to work together.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Wow even Farage, has given up on Putin.

Probably realised his paymasters are running out of money or his assets will be seized.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Let's hope all those poor Ukrainians feel the same as you when this is all over.

I can't say I ever remember my father being remorseful at not letting the Hitler win.

 

[quattro]

We all know what Putin is but what he isn't is completely stupid, he's now got himself manoeuvred into a no win situation that he can't be seen to back down from for Russia's prides sake, we also now unfortunately have the West in a similar position where they can't really be seen to back down.
Who knows how this will now play out but one thing you can be absolutely sure of is it won't be good for your average Ukrainian!

One thing I can be sure of, is that if decisions had been left to the likes of yourself Ukraine would now be Russian and some other countries would be invaded by Russia
there’s quite a few countries owe Ukraine
they’ve maybe saved alot of lives in neighbouring countrys due to their actions
admittedly lost a lot of theirs, but for long term doing the world a lot of good
nothing personal

 

[Devil's advocate]

Nigel talking sense yet again!

Just starting to talk sense.

But yes great communicator, good he is now on the right side.

 

[BrianV]

One thing I can be sure of, is that if decisions had been left to the likes of yourself Ukraine would now be Russian and some other countries would be invaded by Russia
there’s quite a few countries owe Ukraine
they’ve maybe saved alot of lives in neighbouring countrys due to their actions
admittedly lost a lot of theirs, but for long term doing the world a lot of good
nothing personal

So you believe or are led to believe! Not like we ever get it all completely wrong is it?

 

[BrianV]

I can't say I ever remember my father being remorseful at not letting the Hitler win.

Not the same, we are simply playing at war games with other peoples lives!

 

[BrianV]

One thing I can be sure of, is that if decisions had been left to the likes of yourself Ukraine would now be Russian and some other countries would be invaded by Russia
there’s quite a few countries owe Ukraine
they’ve maybe saved alot of lives in neighbouring countrys due to their actions
admittedly lost a lot of theirs, but for long term doing the world a lot of good
nothing personal

I guess if the decisions were left to the likes of you half the world would be glowing brightly by now with no one around to see it!

 

[Muck Spreader]

Not the same, we are simply playing at war games with other peoples lives!

How is it not the same. In 1940 we were facing a similar position if not considerably worse than Ukraine. With much feeling in the US that Britain was already finished and would be better trying to sue for peace rather than begging them for more weapons. Fortunately, our fathers and grandfathers knew what had to be done and what sacrifices had to be made. And the American people quickly realised we were not going to go down easily and got fully behind us in order to defend European freedom, just as we all have to do with Ukraine today.

 

[Scots_Knight]

I've watched videos from this chap before, obviously there's some adverts to get through at the start but worth a watch I think.

Seems the most rational explanation to me that Putin mainly wants to grab Ukraine's fledgling Oil and Gas business as that would cut down his income, mind you he's done an amazing job of upsetting his customers anyway, obviously never heard the saying The Customer is always right

I'm not sure about the military assumsions but as he says that's if you assume NATO is an aggressive force which it isn't but Putin ain't that rational and it's a great excuse for the Useful Idiots in the West that buy into the story.

I suppose he was reckoning on a country full of Brian V (Brian Z ??) clones that would surrender then a bit of a fuss from the West for few weeks like Crimea, then business as usual.

Victory lap on the 9 th of May and onto the next country.

 

[quattro]

I guess if the decisions were left to the likes of you half the world would be glowing brightly by now with no one around to see it!

No
sometimes you have to stand up and be counted otherwise the likes of putin walk all over you
we would be all German if it was left to your decision

 

[BrianV]

How is it not the same. In 1940 we were facing a similar position if not considerably worse than Ukraine. With much feeling in the US that Britain was already finished and would be better trying to sue for peace rather than begging them for more weapons. Fortunately, our fathers and grandfathers knew what had to be done and what sacrifices had to be made. And the American people quickly realised we were not going to go down easily and got fully behind us in order to defend European freedom, just as we all have to do with Ukraine today.

Because it wasn’t just Britain we had the commonwealth & all the countries Hitler had invaded, we are now expecting Ukraine to do it all on their own!

 

[BrianV]

No
sometimes you have to stand up and be counted otherwise the likes of putin walk all over you
we would be all German if it was left to your decision

Are WE standing up to Putin?

 

[BrianV]

I've watched videos from this chap before, obviously there's some adverts to get through at the start but worth a watch I think.

Seems the most rational explanation to me that Putin mainly wants to grab Ukraine's fledgling Oil and Gas business as that would cut down his income, mind you he's done an amazing job of upsetting his customers anyway, obviously never heard the saying The Customer is always right

I'm not sure about the military assumsions but as he says that's if you assume NATO is an aggressive force which it isn't but Putin ain't that rational and it's a great excuse for the Useful Idiots in the West that buy into the story.

I suppose he was reckoning on a country full of Brian V (Brian Z ??) clones that would surrender then a bit of a fuss from the West for few weeks like Crimea, then business as usual.

Victory lap on the 9 th of May and onto the next country.

Let’s just suppose for a minute that things don’t go to plan & Putin wins when the Ukrainians run out of fighting men & Putin then crows that he has defeated the might of the West, does that make things safer?
We are fighting a half assed war that should have never been allowed to start!

 

[Scots_Knight]

Let’s just suppose for a minute that things don’t go to plan & Putin wins when the Ukrainians run out of fighting men & Putin then crows that he has defeated the might of the West, does that make things safer?
We are fighting a half assed war that should have never been allowed to start!

Nothing in life is guaranteed and I suppose if they fight they've a fighting chance if they surrender it's game over and anyone who doesn't agree will be killed or sent to a remote part of Russia, they or at least Stalin I believe did that before.

 

[its yourself]

The Ukrainians will win. They know they have to. The reports of barbed wire torture methods are beyond barbaric.

Yet some here still say Russia is great and mighty. Shameful.