its yourself
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It can't escalate. Putin has admitted he's too weak. Time to increase arms deliveries.
The war in Ukraine...
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Why don't you go and have a go
betweenthelines
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All you "know" is the propaganda put out by both sides. Everyone should thinking for themselves.
For example, there's been a story going about the Russia has "kidnapped" thousands of Ukrainian kids-ask yourself, a) why would they do this and b) how would they do this, and the story just doesn't add up.
As for genocide, I think you really need to look up what the word means.
BBC interviewed the man responsible for leading the war crimes trials in former Yugoslavia this morning. He has recently been to Ukraine and was very cautious about even saying any war crimes had been committed.
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Do you believe the weak Putin narrative? Sometimes I think it’s Russian propaganda designed to keep the west from fully committing to the Ukrainian cause. No need for air cover or long range weapons if Putin’s going to be carted off to the oncology ward in a couple of months, to be succeeded by a rational peace loving individual no doubt!!!
its yourself
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Putin is going to be replaced by Putin 2.0, both will find a weak corrupt Russia too weak to win
Is the sequel going to be better or worse?
The UN will be slower in announcing numbers of war crimes as they must have indisputable evidence. In many cases they will only count cases where the is documentable evidence, and mass killings are one case, not several. it will take years to document it all and many, many cases will be missed due to lack of evidence. However, as they have already announced that they have documented over 300 cases and have 'serious concerns' about Russias actions, I think that is quite telling.
Multiple sources, from the Ukrainian Government, to independent news outlets have reported forced deportations on both mass scale, with news outlets being able to find several thousand names of people missing locally, to Ukrianian reports of half a million or more. to even individual reports from civilians, it does look like it is taking place. In fact it was suggested in the Russian pre-war 'manifesto' that any Ukrainian, civilian or otherwise, guilty of supporting Nazism (as in, not welcoming the Russians with open arms) would be sentenced to forced labour, suggested as being at least 30 years or two generations. There are also credible reports of mass deportation of children, which is possibly harder to get evidence of but more troubling.
Forced deportation would likely fall under the banner of genocide, but could be difficult to prove, although with so many deported the absence of civilians would be noted but could be put down to unlawful killing and mass graves, which is also a war crime.
I wish someone could explain why US & UK bombing of Iraqi & Afganistani towns & villages & similar in other countries with far far more casualties than there are now in Ukraine were never ever considered or investigated as war crimes, it would seem we have one rule for our enemies & one rule for ourselves?
What about it
its yourself
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If you've lost everything, does it matter which way you lose it?
This is Russia some have been waiting years for this and nothing must get in the way, keep the arms flowing keep the killing going.
There is still plenty more they and the Russians and we could lose that would make what has happened so far look like a Saturday night punch up
Surely we embraced Russia
and that's now the problem that our economy is intertwined with theirs.I think the west extended the hand of friendship and ignored what Putin has been saying for 20 years thinking it was bravado to his own people, Eastern European countries were warning us to listen but we didn't .
Of course it could have all been a clever plot to buy British football clubs & property instead of spending on his military, clever people Biden & Boris to plan so far a head.
The world could definitely lose , by letting Putin control food, could be far more deadly than nuclear.
Ask African countries what their afraid of ? Bet they won't say nuclear, more like wheat , we in the west truly have forgotten the value of food .
JohnGalway
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I really don't see why any russian territory is off limits. Ukraine should strike targets of opportunity as and when they present.
betweenthelines
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But there's no evidence, just "reports" Like Bush and Blair reported that Iraq had WMD.
We are hearing stories that the Ukrainian are holding/pushing back USSR forces, USSR troops are dying in their thousands, their supply lines are overstretched, their tanks are failing etc etc but you expect us to believe that in all this mayhem they are transporting thousands of children and prisoners to the USSR-it's just not credible to any thinking person.
Mr Mackay
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Apart from the personal accounts from those that it happened to, I suppose.
War in Ukraine: Ukrainians deported to Russia beaten and mistreated
One man says he was captured and taken over the border, where he was blindfolded and beaten.
www.bbc.co.uk
i belive the saviour tony bliar embraced the russians moving inSurely we embraced Russia
I think the west extended the hand of friendship and ignored what Putin has been saying for 20 years thinking it was bravado to his own people, Eastern European countries were warning us to listen but we didn't .
Of course it could have all been a clever plot to buy British football clubs & property instead of spending on his military, clever people Biden & Boris to plan so far a head.