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The moat would have been for nothing without the survival of the airforce
The war in Ukraine...
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Danllan
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You have not answered, why are you afraid to write a plain reply?
But let's examine what you have written: on May 3rd you would have been on the fence but seriously considering a deal with Nazi Germany; you offer nothing for May 24th; for August
you have the feeling that no decision on it was necessary.
The only clear thing here is that you think that from August 14th a deal was unneeded, but you have declined to write about whether or not you would have sought one.
For the other two dates, but particularly May 24th, you have avoided committing yourself. which leads one to wonder why.
All that written, I think it is only fair that I should plainly state my own position, had I been in government at that time... there is no situation under which I would have dealt with or surrendered to Germany.
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Can't really compare Nazi Germany to Russia... One did a mass extermination of an entire race, the other has invaded a country that used to be russian anyway... Quite a difference! Not saying the Russians are right by any means, but there is quite a difference.You have not answered, why are you afraid to write a plain reply?
But let's examine what you have written: on May 3rd you would have been on the fence but seriously considering a deal with Nazi Germany; you offer nothing for May 24th; for August
you have the feeling that no decision on it was necessary.
The only clear thing here is that you think that from August 14th a deal was unneeded, but you have declined to write about whether or not you would have sought one.
For the other two dates, but particularly May 24th, you have avoided committing yourself. which leads one to wonder why.
All that written, I think it is only fair that I should plainly state my own position, had I been in government at that time... there is no situation under which I would have dealt with or surrendered to Germany.
I think you should read a bit more about Ukrainian history because it is at odds with your perception.
We in the UK were in truth very lucky as to how it turned out, I’m not so sure Ukraine are going to have that same amount of good fortune.You have not answered, why are you afraid to write a plain reply?
But let's examine what you have written: on May 3rd you would have been on the fence but seriously considering a deal with Nazi Germany; you offer nothing for May 24th; for August
you have the feeling that no decision on it was necessary.
The only clear thing here is that you think that from August 14th a deal was unneeded, but you have declined to write about whether or not you would have sought one.
For the other two dates, but particularly May 24th, you have avoided committing yourself. which leads one to wonder why.
All that written, I think it is only fair that I should plainly state my own position, had I been in government at that time... there is no situation under which I would have dealt with or surrendered to Germany.
This has a some what familiar ring to it.
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Before formally entering World War II, FDR came up with a few key strategies to provide critical aid to allies in Europe in the fight against Hitler's Nazi Party.
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if the ukrainians had surrendered 2 years ago there would of been a mass extermination of a countrys people
That's the Israeli's you are thinking of, the ones we are supporting!
Danllan
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Again, you are carefully avoiding a direct response, and that leaves us to presume why...We in the UK were in truth very lucky as to how it turned out, I’m not so sure Ukraine are going to have that same amount of good fortune.
This has a some what familiar ring to it.
How Was the US Involved in WWII Before Pearl Harbor? | HISTORY
Before formally entering World War II, FDR came up with a few key strategies to provide critical aid to allies in Europe in the fight against Hitler's Nazi Party.
Danllan
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Setting aside what the results of a successful Russian invasion would most certainly have been i.e. mass internment, executions, deportations, extrajudicial murders, rapes, kidnapping of children, setting all these aside... let's look at what you've written...
Russia, in its Czarist, Soviet and Current guises has killed vastly more people than the Germans, and has destroyed whole peoples too, via mass deportations and the removal of menfolk from their women to Siberia.
There is a far better historical claim that Muscovy was a dominion of Ukraine than vice versa - if you don't believe me, read up on the subject. Ukraine was, later, certainly a dominion under the Czars and the Soviets, and so what? So were all the Baltic States, Finland, and many other parts of Eastern Europe. All of Ireland was part of the UK, Algeria part of France etc. etc.
Ukraine was a separate republic in the USSR; we here so much about Ukraine being 'given' Crimea, what isn't mentioned in the same sentence is that at the same time Russia received oblasts (provinces) from Ukraine.
In Nazi Germany critics of the regime were persecuted, imprisoned and murdered - sound familiar?
In Nazi Germany independent journalists were intimidated into silence or murdered - sound familiar?
In Nazi Germany children were told lies by the state & schooled in use of weapons - sound familiar?
In Nazi Germany the electoral system was a farce for the re-election of one man - sound familiar?
In Nazi Germany children were taken, seized at gunpoint to be raised as their own - sound familiar?
Yeah, you're right, a world of difference...
A complicated war.
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Foregoneconclusion
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Can't really compare Nazi Germany to Russia... One did a mass extermination of an entire race, the other has invaded a country that used to be russian anyway... Quite a difference! Not saying the Russians are right by any means, but there is quite a
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While you amuse yourself rabbiting away on this thread this post of yours is trash Brian. Snide.
How about Forbes reporting, any better?
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You took over a year to answer a simple question and could only issue insult in the mean time so best give him time, there is a thread for folk who don't think time should be given, you should know you fecking started it
Danllan
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Which question did I not answer directly?You took over a year to answer a simple question and could only issue insult in the mean time so best give him time, there is a thread for folk who don't think time should be given, you should know you fecking started it
For goodness sake with the benefit of hindsight no ones going to say Britain should have surrendered, it might be a different answer if Hitler had crossed the channel & we all had to learn poxy German, in those circumstances a deal mightn't have looked so bad, but all that has nothing to do with Ukraines situation, it's easy to say what should have been done if it works out ok & you come out on top, but do you think if Russia now get the upper hand & do untold damage the Ukrainians will think insisting on joining NATO & then listening to Johnson were the right decisions.
I'd say the training on F16s has just been extended slightly.