And if Roosevelt hadn't been there?
The war in Ukraine...
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Much like they have with Russia.
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david_vine_us_bases_china_philippinesEurope doesn't know what to do now the US has taken a back seat, far too many chiefs & not enough indians, confusion reins.
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Germany and Poland say they're not sending troops to Ukraine as the Kremlin warns of a wider war
BRUSSELS (AP) — European military heavyweights Germany and Poland affirmed Tuesday that they would not be sending troops to Ukraine, after reports that some Western countries may be considering doing
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And if Hitler hadn't been there or Churchill or Stalin, but he was.
Well I never it seems Switzerland have given twice as much to Ukraine as France, no surprise there then.
Government support to Ukraine: Type of assistance, € billion
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Hindsight
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Could well have been a different story. You might be speaking High German or Russian. Or English as a second subjugated language.
Danllan
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Indeed, a remarkable thing for a country with an economy three and half times smaller than France's; can you find the figures for how much Russian cash is stowed in Switzerland and France respectively?
Well now, but you must be considering abandoning place after finding all this out - hang on, no, my mistake, I forgot that personal interest trumps all for you...
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I take it you can't actually understand reports you post?
France's total commitment 17.6 billon euro.
Switzerland's total commitment 2.4 billion euro
Seems it is you who doesn’t understand figures, France’s commitment of French funds stands at just 1 billion euros all the rest is made up from the EU pot of money from future EU borrowing,
The UK has committed £12 billion of UK money to date.
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does Switzerland contribute to that EU pot?
i agree though, I believe France should be doing much more. At least, for a moment, yesterday, Macron was not ruling out putting troops in Ukraine
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i was watching out for missiles in response
. We’re you watching to see if they passed over?To be fair up until fairly recently Macron has been one of the more level headed EU leaders but he now seems to have completely lost the plot for some reason. All this pushing Ukraine to fight on isn’t going to end well for either Ukraine or the EU as it starts to split apart with EU membership for Ukraine being pushed very much into reverse.
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France Is Struggling to Pay for Ukraine Aid as Budget Stretched - BNN Bloomberg
Massive spending cuts have left the French government struggling to put together funding for a package of as much as €3 billion ($3.2 billion) in military aid to Ukraine.
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Europeans' last ditch clutch at Ukrainian victory
France's Macron raised the idea of Western troops entering the fray, others want to send longer range missiles. It's all folly.
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The unfortunate consequences of Ukraine not receiving the ordinance it requires when required!!Europeans' last ditch clutch at Ukrainian victory
France's Macron raised the idea of Western troops entering the fray, others want to send longer range missiles. It's all folly.
Europeans' last ditch clutch at Ukrainian victory
France's Macron raised the idea of Western troops entering the fray, others want to send longer range missiles. It's all folly.
Macron: " guys, we have to prepare for boots on the ground "
" Ok Ursula?. "Ok Richi?
" Ursula, Richi come back ! Where are you, can't you take a joke?
Makes Europe, the UK & US look weak & befuddled in the eyes of other nations, the very thing starting a war in Ukraine should have avoided,
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Danllan
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I think his comments specifically mentioning troops were a bit odd and oddly worded too, to say the least; but he was entirely right to say that nothing is off the table ad that Russia must lose.
However, I also think that he was being a bit of a prat needling the Germans in the way he did;. I couldn't care less about 'internal EU relations', in general terms, but the matter of Ukraine is too important for general bitching and point-scoring.
Thinking on it and looking back over his time, Macron seems to have habit of doing something good e.g. making a definite stance against radical Islam, and then immediately acting in a rather petulant and un-presidental way. I disliked the late Mitterand, but you'd not have seen him act so, nor Chirac, much, and not Hollande. I make no comment on Sarko...
You can argue until the cows come home who started it but the inescapable fact of this is that Russia invaded Ukraine and that in international law is wrong and therefore Russia have to be held to account.