This isn't going to end well!

[essex man]

I not sure they can get that genie back in the bottle short term.

Israel ceases to exist without US support, billions of dollars of arms are literally given to them each year.

 

[Charlie Gill]

They wouldn't

That would be a strange change in priorities.

 

[Lowland1]

Israel ceases to exist without US support, billions of dollars of arms are literally given to them each year.

There's 8 million Jewish people in America and next year is election year. Biden doesn't want to look like he sold their brethren out.

 

[BrianV]

There's 8 million Jewish people in America and next year is election year. Biden doesn't want to look like he sold their brethren out.

Have a feeling those Jews are going to be feeling far more vulnerable & nervous & blame Netanyahu & Biden for that as it gets decidedly worse, you now have a glorified concentration camp being slowly exterminated, it's bloody disgusting.

 

[essex man]

There's 8 million Jewish people in America and next year is election year. Biden doesn't want to look like he sold their brethren out.

Exactly

 

[essex man]

That would be a strange change in priorities.

The priorities of the americans?
They are to sell this to their voters, if they sant to stop israel attacking they can, if that means no hostages back and that is unpopular, then that is why they haven't.
There is no overarching morality in play here

 

[Charlie Gill]

The priorities of the americans?
They are to sell this to their voters, if they sant to stop israel attacking they can, if that means no hostages back and that is unpopular, then that is why they haven't.
There is no overarching morality in play here

Ok, let's assume they don't care about the hostages, how can they stop this?

 

[essex man]

Ok, let's assume they don't care about the hostages, how can they stop this?

If, by "this" you mean the israeli assault on gaza, then they can threaten to withdraw support for israel if they don't stop

 

[Courier]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/29/hamas-israel-war-palestinian-civilians-jake-sullivan-comments&ved=2ahUKEwjw6qL725uCAxWPTEEAHcFADDsQFnoECBQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw10zKcswu4zsrFskzU9HAh8

Even the Americans reckon Israel has gone mental.

But there’s Americans and then there’s Americans - Some of them still think Trump is a fine upstanding citizen

 

[flinty123]

If, by "this" you mean the israeli assault on gaza, then they can threaten to withdraw support for israel if they don't stop

Biden would be out of a job within a week if he withdrew support.

 

[essex man]

Biden would be out of a job within a week if he withdrew support.

Possibly, he certainly thinks it wouldn't play well, so doesn't do it

 

[Charlie Gill]

If, by "this" you mean the israeli assault on gaza, then they can threaten to withdraw support for israel if they don't stop

But then you lose both the support of the 8mil Israeli's, that you agreed could be influential in a vote - and you also lose the vote of the millions that have watched you abandon your fellow citizens (hostages).

 

[flinty123]

Possibly, he certainly thinks it wouldn't play well, so doesn't do it

The media and big business yield far more power then any politician in America.

 

[BrianV]

But then you lose both the support of the 8mil Israeli's, that you agreed could be influential in a vote - and you also lose the vote of the millions that have watched you abandon your fellow citizens (hostages).

Not so sure those Israeli citizens in America are going to be so impressed as public opinion goes badly against them.

 

[Charlie Gill]

Not so sure those Israeli citizens in America are going to be so impressed as public opinion goes badly against them.

I bet it's v small numbers.

 

[Charlie Gill]

The media and big business yield far more power then any politician in America.

Still in Mexico?

 

[flinty123]

Still in Mexico?

Istanbul followed by Poland on Thursday.

I do have a full time job outside agriculture. Farming is a family enterprise, I have minimal input.

 

[BrianV]

I bet it's v small numbers.

It's not over yet, wait & see.

 

[essex man]

But then you lose both the support of the 8mil Israeli's, that you agreed could be influential in a vote - and you also lose the vote of the millions that have watched you abandon your fellow citizens (hostages).

Correct

 

[Charlie Gill]

It's not over yet, wait & see.

Can you see it being over?