Time to adapt?

[lazy farmer]

I was going to post this in the brexit section but ive just been in there and goodness it scares me/depresses me in equal measure so I'll post it here and the mods will move it if required!
So my question is given Chairman Mays speech yesterday is there anything us as dairy farmers can do to prepare for life outside of the free market? Should we be asking questions of our milk buyers(if they export) for example? should we expand in preparation for lower prices ? make ourselves leaner? Or will it all be sweatness and light?
I personally have no clue but the worry is nor does anybody else.

help!
lazy

 

[buffalo_soldier]

I thought the speech was OK, Cant start any negotiation from a position of weakness can you?
Only looked in the brexit section a couple of times and i agree they do seem a little OTT in there.

How you adapt to a series of unknowns is a mystery to me.
Wait and see then work with what is known.
Anything else is speculation.

 

[More to life]

I thought the speech was OK, Cant start any negotiation from a position of weakness can you?
Only looked in the brexit section a couple of times and i agree they do seem a little OTT in there.

How you adapt to a series of unknowns is a mystery to me.
Wait and see then work with what is known.
Anything else is speculation.

Sums up my view nicely and we already operate in the world market I'm far more concerned with my arable without subs than the dairy.

 

[pappuller]

I was going to post this in the brexit section but ive just been in there and goodness it scares me/depresses me in equal measure so I'll post it here and the mods will move it if required!
So my question is given Chairman Mays speech yesterday is there anything us as dairy farmers can do to prepare for life outside of the free market? Should we be asking questions of our milk buyers(if they export) for example? should we expand in preparation for lower prices ? make ourselves leaner? Or will it all be sweatness and light?
I personally have no clue but the worry is nor does anybody else.

help!
lazy

You can only plan with the information that is presented to you, at the mo that is nigh on sweet fa. Still many a bridge to cross especially with Nicola the gnome and her supporters havin their two penneth. As corporal Jones said dont panic !!!

 

[jondear]

I was going to post this in the brexit section but ive just been in there and goodness it scares me/depresses me in equal measure so I'll post it here and the mods will move it if required!
So my question is given Chairman Mays speech yesterday is there anything us as dairy farmers can do to prepare for life outside of the free market? Should we be asking questions of our milk buyers(if they export) for example? should we expand in preparation for lower prices ? make ourselves leaner? Or will it all be sweatness and light?
I personally have no clue but the worry is nor does anybody else.

help!
lazy

Expand for preparation Lol .I think we know how that ends!

 

[Will Blackburn]

I feel we have world class potential unlike other sectors, this is for climatic reasons not dissing the management of other sectors. Within the dairy sector we need to position ourselves at the lower cost end but take solace from our massive home market and supply product tailored to that market.

 

[TomB]

Keep working on reducing cop and reducing debt in order to reduce risk given uncertainty. If expansion achieves this then so be it. Should then be in a position to weather any storms or take advantage of any opportunities that may come.

 

[Beef farmer]

Keep working on reducing cop and reducing debt in order to reduce risk given uncertainty. If expansion achieves this then so be it. Should then be in a position to weather any storms or take advantage of any opportunities that may come.

All I read there is take advantage of an opportunity..... buy next door, but increase debt to do so.

 

[TomB]

All I read there is take advantage of an opportunity..... buy next door, but increase debt to do so.

Sort of did that last year. Need to get a bit more equity in the job now.

 

[ollie989898]

I would not worry about it and continue to do what you do. The people who need to be thinking about their business plans are the people you are selling the milk to.

 

[Cows 'n grass]

Grow more grass, feed more grass, feed less other things, spend less money.

We have no idea what the situation will be in a couple of years, but I suspect little will change.

 

[bar718]

It is a point though , a cow gives us a nice heifer calf today that we want to keep as a replacement. What type of a market are we going to be working in when it calves as the article 50 time allowance of 2 years will be about up so we will be leaving the eu and as yet the common market . Will it be paying enough to repay our rearing costs on this animal under the terms of any early deals that are struck .
As farming is a long term investment we really should be getting more signals from government on how they see markets working in the future as they are only saying they will continue with support until 2020 and this nice heifer calf will not of covered its costs by then for rearing let alone started to give us a profit .

 

[Hanspree]

Don't too much will change will it? We've given all the power to the supermarkets, they decide the prices we get now..

 

[More to life]

It is a point though , a cow gives us a nice heifer calf today that we want to keep as a replacement. What type of a market are we going to be working in when it calves as the article 50 time allowance of 2 years will be about up so we will be leaving the eu and as yet the common market . Will it be paying enough to repay our rearing costs on this animal under the terms of any early deals that are struck .
As farming is a long term investment we really should be getting more signals from government on how they see markets working in the future as they are only saying they will continue with support until 2020 and this nice heifer calf will not of covered its costs by then for rearing let alone started to give us a profit .

Did you consider this in 2013/14 with your calves volatility is the new norm.

 

[stablegirl]

Really hard to say as always just try to make yourself as efficent as possible for some this may mean some expansion but not for others, everyone has to look after themselves.

However good we become we will struggle if interest rates return to the days of 15%+ or the £becomes extremely strong.

Although i cant see either in the short term, there any many many things that have happened in the last 12 months i couldnt have predicted.

 

[Will Blackburn]

[QUOTE="stablegirl, post: 3384708, member: 6374"However good we become we will struggle if interest rates return to the days of 15%+ or the £becomes extremely strong.[/QUOTE]

I don't think the nations borrowers could stand 5%, that is 20x where it is now, let alone 60x.

 

[More to life]

[QUOTE="stablegirl, post: 3384708, member: 6374"However good we become we will struggle if interest rates return to the days of 15%+ or the £becomes extremely strong.

I don't think the nations borrowers could stand 5%, that is 20x where it is now, let alone 60x.[/QUOTE]
True but either could happen

 

[stablegirl]

People couldn't stand it when it happened before!

 

[lazy farmer]

Don't too much will change will it? We've given all the power to the supermarkets, they decide the prices we get now..

in times of excess yes in times of deficit no. funny how supply and demand works

 

[Hanspree]

in times of excess yes in times of deficit no. funny how supply and demand works

Depend on who the processors want to look after..
It is surprising how farmers say they voted out, so they knew what to expect, and confidence has picked up.
Its only the NFU that's painting it all doom and gloom from now on. Maybe their going to miss all the trips to Brussles..