Tonights vote

[MrNoo]

because it was too open ended

What part of "Leave the European Union" or "Remain in the European Union" is open ended?? Black and white question on the ballot paper, black and white answer, the MP's have just fluffed it up any and whatever way they can.
I suppose once in a hole you have to keep digging, am looking forward to the day when the rooks come home to roost. The general public will never forgive or forget what a sorry bunch of idiots we have currently as MP's. They are mostly an utter disgrace.

 

[wanton dwarf]

so why are you calling for No Deal WTO which would lead to tariffs of up to 40%?

- Bomber

The same Tariffs already exist in the EU, I would have thought you would know that .. tariffs are there to protect business due to various reasons .. in the EU some of that is due to Draconian laws, taxes and regulation.

You cannot transition from zero to hero in a day .. tariffs will have to continue until UK business is on a solid footing.

That may mean some tariffs are reduced and others increased.

Welcome to the real world.

 

[caveman]

It has to go back to the people. Before anyone starts venting steam out of their ears about ‘democracy’...We’ve had one vote and parliament haven’t got a clue how to proceed with the result because it was too open ended and there are too many forces pulling in different directions. We need another vote to give clarity to the issue. Then we will truly get ‘what the people want’ and democracy will be served. I don’t think anyone can say they are happy with how things are proceeding so far, so why not another vote?

What's the question?

 

[wanton dwarf]

When it comes to IT, doorstep or not, it makes little to no difference.

I've worked in IT all my working life.

The biggest issue in IT is communication not only with the working staff but also the client.

These discussions take about 1/3 to 1/2 of the time of a project.

Training new IT staff requires a significant amount of verbal communication and supervision. A fully functional IT worker takes about 3 years of dedicated experience.

Have you worked in IT ?

 

[Lexion1000]

What part of "Leave the European Union" or "Remain in the European Union" is open ended?? Black and white question on the ballot paper, black and white answer, the MP's have just fluffed it up any and whatever way they can.
I suppose once in a hole you have to keep digging, am looking forward to the day when the rooks come home to roost. The general public will never forgive or forget what a sorry bunch of idiots we have currently as MP's. They are mostly an utter disgrace.

‘Leave the European Union’ is open ended. That’s what everyone is arguing about, not sure what is difficult to see there? There are too many possibilities to it.

 

[manhill]

I've an idea for the two questions in a 2nd referendum:
1) do we have an immediate Brexit?
2) do we extend Article 50 for a week and then leave?

 

[MrNoo]

‘Leave the European Union’ is open ended. That’s what everyone is arguing about, not sure what is difficult to see there? There are too many possibilities to it.

No, it's actually not.
If I say I want to leave a house, then I would do so, why would you then say oh "it's open ended" maybe sir would like to partly leave the house, one foot in the door and the other outside, same if leaving a party, city, field, an airplane mid flight, in -out, one or t'other, it's very simple.

 

[Henarar]

Actually H what you say above has no relevance to me or anyone who voted remain for that matter, remain lost so what we thought our vote meant became history on the ref result. I think its the Leave gang who may take issue with your idea they simply wanted to be knocked off the "membership list" and "anyone who believed anything that was promised by people without the power to deliver those promises really should have thought more about it".

they can take as much issue as they like that was the question that was asked and an answer was given, simple really to simple for some people

 

[Widgetone]

I imagine there's an unwritten rule - never put a referendum EVER again to the great unwashed.

 

[Henarar]

No, it's actually not.
If I say I want to leave a house, then I would do so, why would you then say oh "it's open ended" maybe sir would like to partly leave the house, one foot in the door and the other outside, same if leaving a party, city, field, an airplane mid flight, in -out, one or t'other, it's very simple.

its to simple for some

 

[Henarar]

I imagine there's an unwritten rule - never put a referendum EVER again to the great unwashed.

so why should those that wash get a vote and those that don't don't ? is there something about washing that make someone more qualified to vote ? how long would someone have to go unwashed before they were classed as unwashed ?

 

[Lexion1000]

No, it's actually not.
If I say I want to leave a house, then I would do so, why would you then say oh "it's open ended" maybe sir would like to partly leave the house, one foot in the door and the other outside, same if leaving a party, city, field, an airplane mid flight, in -out, one or t'other, it's very simple.[/QUOTE
That’s not a good analogy. If there was clarity in what the government thought it should be doing we wouldn’t be in quite as much mess as we’re in now, that’s pretty clear to anyone I would have thought?

 

[Jackov Altraids]

It has to go back to the people. Before anyone starts venting steam out of their ears about ‘democracy’...We’ve had one vote and parliament haven’t got a clue how to proceed with the result because it was too open ended and there are too many forces pulling in different directions. We need another vote to give clarity to the issue. Then we will truly get ‘what the people want’ and democracy will be served. I don’t think anyone can say they are happy with how things are proceeding so far, so why not another vote?

A peoples vote should be;

Having voted to leave, should we;

Leave with no deal

Leave with the current withdrawal agreement

Leave after negotiating a deal with us remaining in a customs union.


The original referendum could not have been any clearer. Any choice would have been subject to negotiation with EU, including and continuing with remaining.

There would have been an agreement if anyone voting remain had been excluded from the process. The classic example of the problem with remainers involvement is the shadow brexit secretary, kier Starmer.
He will not support any 'Tory' deal.
He wants to remain in a customs union but voted against the back stop in case we get stuck in one. He also said if he had a choice between his own deal and remain, he would vote remain. He also continually says he respects the result of the referendum.

 

[Still Farming]

All should lobby their MP's in Parliament to support the Government to carry out the Countries wishes and leave on 29th.
Any extensions will cost millions more that could be put to better use here .

 

[nivilla1982]

The amendments being voted on, in order:
H. Cross-party request for second referendum

Tabled by former Tory Sarah Wollaston, now of the Independent Group, and signed by around 30 MPs, this seeks a delay for a new referendum, which would have remain as an option.

If it passes, amendments I and E would not be voted on.

I. Benn amendment

A cross-party group of senior backbenchers have submitted an amendment that, if passed, would allow the Commons to debate next steps on Brexit on Wednesday next week. The motion, handed in a few minutes before the 10.30am deadline, is signed by Labour’s Hilary Benn and Yvette Cooper and Conservatives Oliver Letwin and Dominic Grieve, as well SNP, Liberal Democrat and Plaid Cymru MPs. The amendment says it is designed “to enable the House of Commons to find a way forward that can command majority support” by effectively allowing MPs to wrest control of parliamentary time from Theresa May’s government.

There is also an amendment to this amendment, from Labour’s Lucy Powell, changing the timing, which Bercow also allowed.

If it is voted on (if amendment H loses) and passes then amendment E would not be voted on.

E. Labour amendment

Led by Jeremy Corbyn, this notes the rejection by parliament of May’s Brexitplan, and of no deal, and says the government should “provide parliamentary time for this house to find a majority for a different approach”.

J. Bryant amendment

Notes that the guide to parliamentary procedure, Erskine May, states a motion or an amendment which is the same, in substance, as a question which has been decided in the affirmative or negative during the current session may not be brought forward again during that session. If this amendment was passed it could give the Speaker the power to block another vote on May’s deal as it has been voted down twice by parliament already.

This will be voted on whatever else happens.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ents-for-the-brexit-article-50-extension-vote

 

[wellingtonfarmer]

. It would be a landslide remain

I totally disagree, I think know more people who voted remain last time who have they said they would vote to leave this time, for 2 reasons. 1. the way eu have treated us. 2. we voted to leave so the country should leave.
I think many people would dig their heals for the sake of democracy and vote to leave. I'm sure I read somewhere that one of the big papers conducted a poll again it was a bigger majority to leave this time.

 

[Pasty]

I totally disagree, I think know more people who voted remain last time who have they said they would vote to leave this time, for 2 reasons. 1. the way eu have treated us. 2. we voted to leave so the country should leave.
I think many people would dig their heals for the sake of democracy and vote to leave. I'm sure I read somewhere that one of the big papers conducted a poll again it was a bigger majority to leave this time.

Have to say I hear this a lot too and never in the other direction. Entirely anecdotal from a very small sample and may vary from area to area but that's what folk have said to me.

 

[yin ewe]

Maybe a 2nd ref is the way to go then, remain or leave on WTO. But remain must win 60/40 for the decision to be overturned. That would give remain a 7m majority based on the last turnout, and would certainly indicate that the country had changed its opinion.
Really what have brexiteers got to loose- TM deal is basically remaining and cannot get support, parliament is pushing for remain, so it would settle the arguement once and for all.

 

[Pasty]

Maybe a 2nd ref is the way to go then, remain or leave on WTO. But remain must win 60/40 for the decision to be overturned. That would give remain a 7m majority based on the last turnout, and would certainly indicate that the country had changed its opinion.
Really what have brexiteers got to loose- TM deal is basically remaining and cannot get support, parliament is pushing for remain, so it would settle the arguement once and for all.

Maybe. It's fairer than any other 2nd vote ideas I have heard. Most of them are Remain, Remain or Crash out over a cliff and be helpless against the zombie apocalypse.

 

[Pasty]

Well it's off the table now anyway.