tony martin

[Pilatus]

Was once told told by a guy who runs his own security business (ex black ops & trained barrister) to always have a fire extinguisher to hand. Perfectly reasonable to have one in the room or vehicle and if the need arises you can use it for self defence as it was the first thing to hand and therefore not premeditated.
BUT was also warned that if you hold a firearm / shotgun certificate and are involved in any type of violence (even a verbal threat) the chances are that it will be taken away. Holding a certificate in the uk is deemed a privilege not a right and the police can confiscate it and your guns at anytime if they consider you to be a threat to the general public, (law abiding or otherwise).
Having attended numerous meeting with the police and PCC over the winter the general consensus is that the law & law abiding citizens are now on the loosing side. A senior police office stated that the best we can hope for is that we make it too difficult for the perpetrators in Hampshire, then they will become another county’s problem.
The police are short staffed, the CPS is broke, and the prisons are full. Hence the reason why very few crimes result in a conviction or custodial sentence.
People are reaching the end of their tether and end up taking matters into their own hands. It’s a sad world in which we are now living.

Is “Bear deterrent” spray , available in the Uk,?
Would it get stopped by customs if I ordered some from the US?
An alternative to fire extinguisher

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Is “Bear deterrent” spray , available in the Uk,?
Would it get stopped by customs if I ordered some from the US?
An alternative to fire extinguisher

Using it might constitute aggravated assault under UK law, having it handy would constitute premeditation.

 

[matthew]

Firstly I’d make sure I had insurance. I’d make sure I had some form security in place even if it’s just a padlock. Simple CCTV systems are available my Ring doorbell shows what’s happening in my yard half a world away. Having a gun isn’t going to stop you being robbed a dog is probably a better idea.

my late uncle, living alone in an isolated farmhouse, had such a deterrent. A dog, leashed outside the farmhouse door. Go past him at your peril.

Some do gooder reported him for animal cruelty. The dog was unleashed and was subsequently killed on the road.

No deterrent, and the next thing we heard was uncle beaten up, tied to a chair, out of reach of phones etc. And anything / everything of value stolen from house and workshop.

Uncle was in his late seventies at the time. He never really recovered.

 

[DrWazzock]

Had some of that smart water stuff used on a new quad bike, if it ever got nicked and the police found it they could trace it back to us.
It got nicked but never heard no more.
It’s replacement had our name and postcode programmed into it, name and postcode appeared on the dash every time the ignition was switched on, could only be changed with an official dealers laptop.
It got nicked, but never heard no more

Dad told the copper if they came again he’d shoot them, copper told him he could get 20 years for that, dad who was in his 80’s at the time said he’d be quite happy if they could guarantee him another 20 years
Then the insurance company came and interviewed me under caution in case I’d had something to do with the disappearance of the bike and went back on the price already agreed with their assessor as they said our security wasn’t up to scratch even though the farm yard gate was locked and the bike was kept inside a locked barn, we didn’t re insure with them next year.

A local farmer who had been plagued by thefts Kg it a shipping container to keep his bike and other small tools in, covered by cctv as well as fitting a tracker to his bike.
They broke in one night and took his bike, by time they knew it was missing it was about 20 miles away, the route it took showing up on the tracker. They rang the police expecting them to want to observe where the bike was to catch the culprits but they said they hadn’t got the resources for anything like that

Our last and final quad bike stolen eventually turned up as it had been broken up for parts. By then it had had about 6 different owners. Can’t remember how the police discovered it but it was maybe 5 years later and not worth retrieving. Insurance is fine but the sum paid out on our aged but useful machine wouldn’t even go halfway to replacing it. As it would only have disappeared again we just didn’t bother but we’d were turned over several times by thieves looking for a new one until they gave up. We just wave a bag in the gate now and the sheep run into the yard but inability to keep hold of a bike is one significant reason why we’ve cut numbers especially on distant fields. The cost of crime isn’t just the goods lost, it’s the curtailing of enterprises.

 

[matthew]

Seeing that video in the Mail of that Green elected councillor to Leeds Council shouting Allahu Akbar we’re all going need to our guns in a few years time.

Women are non persons in the world they inhabit. Men are instructed, women’s votes filled in for them. Hence the term ‘block voting’. Welcome to Sharia law.

They are using the greens as a Trojan Horse, unless of course the greens agree with this religious cultural divide.
Who knows.

 

[Lowland1]

Women are non persons in the world they inhabit. Men are instructed, women’s votes filled in for them. Hence the term ‘block voting’. Welcome to Sharia law.

They are using the greens as a Trojan Horse, unless of course the greens agree with this religious cultural divide.
Who knows.

Really I know female Muslim lawyers and doctors who most certainly won't have their husbands filling in their ballots for them.

 

[Pilatus]

Using it might constitute aggravated assault under UK law, having it handy would constitute premeditation.

Why oh why, is the law seemingly on the side of those who knowingly break the law????????

 

[matthew]

Really I know female Muslim lawyers and doctors who most certainly won't have their husbands filling in their ballots for them.

Good. But other sects operate as above. Medieval.

 

[e5c0rt.mk1]

Really I know female Muslim lawyers and doctors who most certainly won't have their husbands filling in their ballots for them.

The Muslims who are lawyers and doctors aren't the ones we need to worry about.

 

[Lowland1]

The Muslims who are lawyers and doctors aren't the ones we need to worry about.

If you are going to worry about them you'd be better worrying about the clever ones.

 

[DrWazzock]

Why oh why, is the law seemingly on the side of those who knowingly break the law????????

Because it bread and butter for solicitors and barristers. They’ve a financial interest in contesting things and spinning things out. There’s nothing pays them better than a case that drags on for weeks arguing the minutae of every case, defending the indefensible. They can’t lose. They get paid either way so they’ll always try it on. They are as corrupt as the criminals, in some ways worse as they should know better.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

replicas are illegal here, for that very reason

I was in a bar in Las Vegas years ago chatting to an Aussie guy, and he was telling me he had just bought a pistol (in the US) and had it deactivated in a way he could easily activate it again, and exported it back to Oz, he had also picked a calibre which he had a legally owned rifle for, so could get the rounds. I have no idea even if there are rounds that could do both? Or the veracity of what he said.

 

[Gadget]

Using it might constitute aggravated assault under UK law, having it handy would constitute premeditation.

Why oh why, is the law seemingly on the side of those who knowingly break the law????????

We had a break in to a unit we rented out, they obviously had knowlege of the layout as they dropped in through the roof, on to a container that was in there.
I was spoken to sternly as, at that time, we had no fragile roof signs. Had they fallen through at 2am it would have been my fault!
The question that needs to be asked was why were you on mr G's roof in the middle of the night? Its the same with being sprayed by CS gas or hit with a baseball bat in someones home in the middle of the night.

 

[Lowland1]

I was in a bar in Las Vegas years ago chatting to an Aussie guy, and he was telling me he had just bought a pistol (in the US) and had it deactivated in a way he could easily activate it again, and exported it back to Oz, he had also picked a calibre which he had a legally owned rifle for, so could get the rounds. I have no idea even if there are rounds that could do both? Or the veracity of what he said.

My University friend deals in guns. It's amazing what you can buy in the UK. You can legally own an AK 47 obviously not configured to auto but apparently it's not too difficult to alter.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

There’s lots of ways of keeping hold of what you have without blowing holes in people. It’s not Ukraine they aren’t coming to steal your home and your land or to kill you and your family they are coming to take your quad bike or your welder. Get it into proportion and act appropriately.

About 5 or 6 years ago, I looked after an apprentice for an upmarket floor laying firm. The did an expensive job in London, and the customer wanted them to do a job in his home country, Ukraine. He flew them out and they fitted a wood floor in his house. The apprentice was telling me the house had armed security and they were so pleased to get back to Wales.

 

[stroller]

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[Pad123]

you don’t want to have ANYTHING to do with firearms in relation to any crime & especially not using / threatening to use them, except maybe in the most extreme cases of self defence - even then there will probably be some sort of legal charges or action or at the very least, a lengthy investigation & possible court case.
Certainly here, anyway . . .


last year, I had some firearms stolen.
A locked house was broken into, a bolted down gun safe torn out of a room & carried outside, to be cut open with an angle grinder.

while I was undoubtedly the victim in a break & enter, I was also charged with not keeping firearms safe & went to court, with a maximum possible sentence of 2 years in gaol. Luckily, I received a 14 month good behaviour bond

you would certainly end up in a world of trouble if you started waving guns around & threatening people, even having one with you. Especially over some shitty quad bike or such . . .

Very strange what police force was this? I have a relative under humberside police who had basically the same happen to them (shotgun safe cut open while they were away on holiday) and the police couldn’t have been less bothered. I myself had my shotgun and firearms licences stolen years ago and same again police just posted me replacements out and didn’t ask any further questions.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Really I know female Muslim lawyers and doctors who most certainly won't have their husbands filling in their ballots for them.

I don't think it's the religion per se, it's more, that most of the muslims in the UK come from a very poor, very rural area of Pakistan, and they bring their culture with them, and it's a culture of a poor, backward, deprived area (rather than the culture of a religion).

 

[Lowland1]

I don't think it's the religion per se, it's more, that most of the muslims in the UK come from a very poor, very rural area of Pakistan, and they bring their culture with them, and it's a culture of a poor, backward, deprived area (rather than the culture of a religion).

That's very true. We know Punjabi Muslims and a lot of Ismailis. The problem really is the ignorance of lumping them all together.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

My University friend deals in guns. It's amazing what you can buy in the UK. You can legally own an AK 47 obviously not configured to auto but apparently it's not too difficult to alter.

You can get semi auto .22's on a Sec 1 in the UK that look like an AK, but they're popguns by comparison to the real deal and they function in a very different way (blowback, not gas operated). There are a few straight pull AK's knocking around as well but rebuilding them to SA/FA would be far from "not too difficult to alter".

That said, if you've got Sec 5 you can own damn near anything in the UK but you ain't getting one of those without being either an arms dealer/manufacturer or a very, very, very serious collector (such as the Vickers MG Collection & Research Association).