Too fat to farm?

[primmiemoo]

A friend of my wife was a Catholic missionary working with Inuits in Canada they don't have a good lifestyle but I don't think they ever have had good lifestyle. Their carnivorous diet only got them to 29 in 1942. However a diet of rubbish gets them to 70.

What sort of public health preventative measures have the Inuit benefited from since the '40s? I think Canadian public health and welfare are modelled on the NHS, aren't they ~ but there have been scandals in the way the indigenous women were treated until fairly recently.

 

[Lowland1]

What sort of public health preventative measures have the Inuit benefited from since the '40s? I think Canadian public health and welfare are modelled on the NHS, aren't they ~ but there have been scandals in the way the indigenous women were treated until fairly recently.

I wouldn't know my wife's friend was running a clinic in Inuits territory in Northern Canada. I would guess it would be the normal vaccinations, better maternity and post natal care.

 

[primmiemoo]

There is a lot of vitamin content in some organs and tissues. Some contain so much vitamin A it can be nearly toxic in of itself. I forget which organ or species though.

It is possible that people eating a paleodiet for long periods of time would have a gut biome that would help by producing some of these materials- just as cattle do in some cases.

We humans have outsourced our stomachs and digestion to tamed , and cooking and things, though. My bet is that what was mentioned upthread about eating too much applies significantly to the modern myth of a paleo diet. Overconsumption, and a disregard of any awkward ancient techniques of meat preservation that would have naturally limited meat intake could easily be behind diabetes in that context. It's only a feeling, though. I wouldn't know where to look for formal studies into it.

 

[primmiemoo]

I wouldn't know my wife's friend was running a clinic in Inuits territory in Northern Canada. I would guess it would be the normal vaccinations, better maternity and post natal care.

Perhaps that's what causes people to live longer in their part of the world, too? It's been a help in all countries that have adopted these things. Children who survive to the age of 10 have a good chance of reaching adulthood, etc.

(I had the wrong Inuit in mind about the scandal. Inuit women and girls in Greenland had contraception forced upon them by the Danish government, not the Canadian Inuit women.)

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Danish government forced contraception on their Inuit, the Canadian government stole the kids of their Inuit (the so-called "Sixties Scoop")

 

[ollie989898]

We humans have outsourced our stomachs and digestion to tamed , and cooking and things, though. My bet is that what was mentioned upthread about eating too much applies significantly to the modern myth of a paleo diet. Overconsumption, and a disregard of any awkward ancient techniques of meat preservation that would have naturally limited meat intake could easily be behind diabetes in that context. It's only a feeling, though. I wouldn't know where to look for formal studies into it.

Hard to say, basically you have two ways of preserving meat, drying it or burying it in salt, I suppose you could freeze it in the winter months ok.

A lack of fresh greens of any kind during the frozen winters would have been very hard on their health- they would survive probably ok but it wouldn't have been great.

 

[pycoed]

Perhaps we shouldn't have left a large trading block which financially supported small farms through direct payments.

Perhaps we should never have joined a large trading block which ensured that agriculture was governed by Stalinesque 5 year plans designed by people that no one voted for?

 

[How much]

Humans Are by Nature lazy we invent things to make life easier pretty much all of society not just kids are fatter then ever , just look how many pensioners are carrying 2 or 3 stone extra these days.
Farmers should in theory be slimmer than the population at large but i don't see much evidence of that and the staff of the health service should know better as to the perils of excess weight and they may be some of the worse offenders !

There are some myths about excess weight that mystify me though

such as obesity is caused by deprivation and poverty stopping people eating well NO an apple , banana or orange is cheaper than a Twix any takeaway is more expensive than a can of soup. I also see just as many obese and overweight people in the local affluent areas as the poor ones.

its caused by ultra processed food MacDonalds, Greggs etc .No Its caused by eating too much and doing too little plain and simple If a food is high in calories you don't need as much but a calorie is calorie , its just measurement of energy.

A diet is myth , by virtue if you set a target and actually got to the target weight "the diet is complete" , you go back to your previous ways and back comes the weight you have to change your lifestyle.

If your average person put 1/2 the time they spend trawling social media into exercise they would be mentally and physically better off but instead they say , I don't have the time to look after themselves and blame others for there weight issues .

The facts are if every one around you is fat , fat is seen as normal and why would you look to be different if your mates are fat , brother is fat and you are why would you think I must eat less being over weight is now normal that is going to take some changing .

We drink way to much , wine , beer, red bull , pop etc wine and beer consumption at home is massive just look at how many crates of he stuff are bought at your local supermarket let alone our convenience store that must shift a pallet every 2 days of carling

I would agree that food in general , from something as simple as baked beans to microwave meal could be better I see no reason to add sugar to bread , or soup its done because humans like it so by adding it your product sells better but if the law changed and producers where told to cut it back it would do no harm , but it wont make people slim.
It need change in mindset , people need to stop blaming everything but the overconsumption for the wight issues they have and eat less and do more.
How you get to that position though I don't know but excess weight is ticking time bomb for our health service to deal with let alone a society who physically cant work

 

[essexpete]

Stress stops me from eating !

Opposite pole to Glasshouse, is this a form of neuro diversity?

 

[Devil's advocate]

They were really slim in the 40's. Well the "influences" of the time.

Elenoir Powell (Mrs Glenn Ford to be) looking great.

 

[Lowland1]

Why do these two countries have among the lowest obesity rates in Western Europe?

Together, they’re the home of pasta, pizza, gelato, croissants, cheeses and rich sauces. Yet France and Italy have much lower obesity rates than the UK. How is that so, and are there lessons we could learn from our European neighbours?

www.google.com

It's culture innit?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Why do these two countries have among the lowest obesity rates in Western Europe?

Together, they’re the home of pasta, pizza, gelato, croissants, cheeses and rich sauces. Yet France and Italy have much lower obesity rates than the UK. How is that so, and are there lessons we could learn from our European neighbours?

www.google.com

It's culture innit?

I reckon it plays a fair part

If you shovel away while watching TV or holding a phone then you hardly notice putting it away; if you are sitting at a table "enjoying" mealtime, especially if it's grub you grew or otherwise had a hand in bringing to the table then there is a certain "presence" that's otherwise missing.

Fast food possibly cuts twice in this respect ?

The clue is in wasteage, if you are eating beef or venison or fish that you pulled out of its happy place with the intent of eating it, then it gets eaten

 

[Lowland1]

I reckon it plays a fair part

If you shovel away while watching TV or holding a phone then you hardly notice putting it away; if you are sitting at a table "enjoying" mealtime, especially if it's grub you grew or otherwise had a hand in bringing to the table then there is a certain "presence" that's otherwise missing.

Fast food possibly cuts twice in this respect ?

The clue is in wasteage, if you are eating beef or venison or fish that you pulled out of its happy place with the intent of eating it, then it gets eaten

I've an Italian landlord and his managers are Italian and because of this we have a lot of Italian friends and meet a lot of Italians. Food is very important you can't visit without getting coffee and cake. Everything stops for lunch and it wont be a snack either generally they aren't overweight yet they eat plenty. We had a trip to France last summer and the first thing that struck me was a lack of overweight people. In the factories we visited people weren't big like they are in the UK. I know things are changing but it still seems food is important to the French we had some big meals with wine but nothing seemed rushed and then we got on with what we were doing.

 

[bluebell]

How many, there must be lots on here, that can remember a time, before freezers, and fridges, not my time but my parents, when fresh meat was kept in fly proof cupboards, in the countryside a "pig killer" went round to kill, small holders pigs, on pig killing day, all the family, people were involved in the cutting up dismantling, preserving the pigs meat, anyone on hear please comment?

 

[Farmer Roy]

Peanut M&M’s are ‘Healthier’ than Beef and Pork, Bill Gates-Funded Study Claims

Bill Gates and his meat-alternative agenda rise again through his recent funding in a study, claiming some candy and cereal are ‘healthier’ than pork, chicken and beef.

www.drovers.com

 

[Bossfarmer]

Im a fat bugger, was a fat kid. Mother was a feeder and was anti sport (from a very sporting family weirdly) i got really fit in my 20s, shattered my leg at 29, put on a fair bit of weight in my 30s im 40 now, try to eat propper meals, go to gym 3 times a week. Iv lost only a stone but iv lost loads of inches of fat, clothes fit better, feel far better and fitter than i have for years. I go early 5.30 in morning and it sets me up for the day.
My eldest son eats like a horse but trains rugby twice a week and a game once. Hes fit. Daughter we have to watch as her greatest pleasure in life is lying on the couch doing nowt.
Youngest son (the loon) is built like a lat can run like the wind and is strong as an ox.

what time do u go to bed at to get up at 5.30 for the gym? some effort

 

[Wombat]

what time do u go to bed at to get up at 5.30 for the gym? some effort

Yup proper good effort that, I hate mornings so would really struggle with 5:30

 

[Devil's advocate]

what time do u go to bed at to get up at 5.30 for the gym? some effort

I go past a gym when delivering in Sheffield

Amazing how many people are working out at 3.30 am.

 

[J 1177]

what time do u go to bed at to get up at 5.30 for the gym? some effort

Half 9/10

 

[J 1177]

Yup proper good effort that, I hate mornings so would really struggle with 5:30

Dont mind it to be fair. Usually like drilling corn early morning. Seem to get more done