Trade deals beyond the EU

[Farmer1001]

Have we done any yet to replace the bilateral trade deals we currently enjoy as a member of the EU? Deal or no deal with the EU, come Jan 21 these bilateral deals end.

 

[robs1]

Yep

 

[Ashtree]

Faroe Islands!

 

[le bon paysan]

Not looking too good, mind I'd want someone a bit sharper than Liz in charge. And from a hung ho Brexit paper as well.

Liz Truss panics as 'unforced errors' made on post-Brexit trade deal

THE UK has made several errors by rushing into trade negotiations with other countries outside the EU before attempting to resolve it's position on key regulatory issues such as the level playing field, according to a think-tank.

www.express.co.uk

 

[Ncap]

Not looking too good, mind I'd want someone a bit sharper than Liz in charge. And from a hung ho Brexit paper as well.

Liz Truss panics as 'unforced errors' made on post-Brexit trade deal

THE UK has made several errors by rushing into trade negotiations with other countries outside the EU before attempting to resolve it's position on key regulatory issues such as the level playing field, according to a think-tank.

www.express.co.uk

You’re so right.
And, BTW, the Express shows its patriotic love of the English language by massacring the spelling of ‘its’.

 

[robs1]

Yes let's take notice of think tanks, often a step from.uni to politics, no practical knowledge of anything and can always produce "facts" to support their arguement. Just as well use a monkey with a pin to pick out figures.

 

[Hindsight]

Well who would have thought a bit of cheese from Melton would blow a hole in the talks!!

Liz Truss backed away from trade talks over stilton

Oliver Wright, Policy Editor
Wednesday August 12 2020, 12.00am, The Times
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If anyone was in any doubt that trade deals are just as much about politics as they are about commerce then the curious case of the stilton “wedge” should convince them.

It has emerged that Liz Truss, the international trade secretary, backed away from signing a historic post-Brexit trade deal with Japan last week in support of a British cheese worth 0.007 per cent of total UK exports to the country.

Ms Truss, 45, had been hoping to announce the deal to protect £14.8 billion of UK exports to Japan after two days of negotiations with the foreign minister, Toshimitsu Motegi.

Mr Motegi flew back to Tokyo on Friday with no deal in place after Ms Truss demanded better terms for the UK’s stilton producers than the deal the UK has as part of its membership of the European Union, the Financial Times reported.


The talks will continue at an official level in an attempt to resolve the differences and have an agreement ratified before the transition period ends in December.

Taking a stand over an export to Japan that is only worth £100,000 a year might seem curious, but from the UK side stilton is a good battle to pick.
Under the existing EU deal with Japan, from which Britain benefits, Japanese tariffs of 29 per cent on hard cheeses such as cheddar will be phased out to zero by 2033. For other cheeses, such as “blue-veined” stilton, only a quota of exports would be tariff-free.
The UK wanted to improve on those terms to demonstrate that the government could negotiate a bespoke deal that served British interests, even if the gain was small in economic terms.
Japan has long argued that it cannot give Britain a better deal than that agreed with the EU, whose 27 nations have a population almost seven times bigger than the UK’s.
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There is also concern on the Japanese side that any concession made to the UK could trigger the reopening of the EU deal as Brussels demands the same access for its softblue cheese exports.
Ms Truss has long advocated British cheese’s place in international markets. She trended on social media in 2014 after a speech to the Conservative Party conference in which she said: “We import two thirds of our cheese: that is a disgrace!”
Yesterday, her department did not deny that stilton had become an issue in the talks but said that it could not comment on continuing negotiations.
According to UK government figures, a “modelled” trade deal with Japan might add 0.07 per cent to Britain’s GDP in the long term, compared with the loss of 5 per cent of GDP growth associated with the UK leaving the EU.

 

[Farmer1001]

Yes let's take notice of think tanks, often a step from.uni to politics, no practical knowledge of anything and can always produce "facts" to support their arguement. Just as well use a monkey with a pin to pick out figures.

Best way to dispel the think tank - show the deals that have been done. This situation should absolutely concern everyone, of course there are some who are not surprised at the lack of progress, but as it stands the UK needs to make progress and fast for all our sakes.

 

[turbo]

Best way to dispel the think tank - show the deals that have been done. This situation should absolutely concern everyone, of course there are some who are not surprised at the lack of progress, but as it stands the UK needs to make progress and fast for all our sakes.

What part of the withdrawal agreement allowed us to sign any agreement until we properly leave in December?

 

[Farmer1001]

What part of the withdrawal agreement allowed us to sign any agreement until we properly leave in December?

This part.
4. Notwithstanding paragraph 3, during the transition period, the United Kingdom may negotiate, sign and ratify international agreements entered into in its own capacity in the areas of exclusive competence of the Union, provided those agreements do not enter into force or apply during the transition period, unless so authorised by the Union.

 

[Highland Mule]

What part of the withdrawal agreement allowed us to sign any agreement until we properly leave in December?

We left at the end of last year. We are currently in the transition period - a period specifically set up for the time to do trade deals and sign agreements. Over half way through said period and we have how many in place?

 

[Ncap]

We left at the end of last year. We are currently in the transition period - a period specifically set up for the time to do trade deals and sign agreements. Over half way through said period and we have how many in place?

I think you and I share the same problem (forgive the assumption). We simply don't BELIEVE enough! There are scores of oven ready deals just waiting. (Shhhhh! Don't worry. We have classics scholars in charge!)

 

[Muck Spreader]

Well who would have thought a bit of cheese from Melton would blow a hole in the talks!!

Liz Truss backed away from trade talks over stilton

Oliver Wright, Policy Editor
Wednesday August 12 2020, 12.00am, The Times
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Liz Truss had demanded better terms for stilton producers than the deal Britain has as part of its EU membership
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If anyone was in any doubt that trade deals are just as much about politics as they are about commerce then the curious case of the stilton “wedge” should convince them.

It has emerged that Liz Truss, the international trade secretary, backed away from signing a historic post-Brexit trade deal with Japan last week in support of a British cheese worth 0.007 per cent of total UK exports to the country.

Ms Truss, 45, had been hoping to announce the deal to protect £14.8 billion of UK exports to Japan after two days of negotiations with the foreign minister, Toshimitsu Motegi.

Mr Motegi flew back to Tokyo on Friday with no deal in place after Ms Truss demanded better terms for the UK’s stilton producers than the deal the UK has as part of its membership of the European Union, the Financial Times reported.


The talks will continue at an official level in an attempt to resolve the differences and have an agreement ratified before the transition period ends in December.

Taking a stand over an export to Japan that is only worth £100,000 a year might seem curious, but from the UK side stilton is a good battle to pick.
Under the existing EU deal with Japan, from which Britain benefits, Japanese tariffs of 29 per cent on hard cheeses such as cheddar will be phased out to zero by 2033. For other cheeses, such as “blue-veined” stilton, only a quota of exports would be tariff-free.
The UK wanted to improve on those terms to demonstrate that the government could negotiate a bespoke deal that served British interests, even if the gain was small in economic terms.
Japan has long argued that it cannot give Britain a better deal than that agreed with the EU, whose 27 nations have a population almost seven times bigger than the UK’s.
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There is also concern on the Japanese side that any concession made to the UK could trigger the reopening of the EU deal as Brussels demands the same access for its softblue cheese exports.
Ms Truss has long advocated British cheese’s place in international markets. She trended on social media in 2014 after a speech to the Conservative Party conference in which she said: “We import two thirds of our cheese: that is a disgrace!”
Yesterday, her department did not deny that stilton had become an issue in the talks but said that it could not comment on continuing negotiations.
According to UK government figures, a “modelled” trade deal with Japan might add 0.07 per cent to Britain’s GDP in the long term, compared with the loss of 5 per cent of GDP growth associated with the UK leaving the EU.

As it's a Cheese based negotiation this pair could have done it for her. When it comes to international trade, Liz Truss is totally clueless and it's well outside her mental capability to negotiate a good deal.

 

[Hindsight]

As it's a Cheese based negotiation this pair could have done it for her. When it comes to international trade, Liz Truss is totally clueless and it's well outside her mental capability to negotiate a good deal.

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Realpolitik setting in.

 

[robs1]

We left at the end of last year. We are currently in the transition period - a period specifically set up for the time to do trade deals and sign agreements. Over half way through said period and we have how many in place?

It's on the gov web site. Around 8% of non eu trade iirc. We have never had a deal with the US so that should improve from an already good surplus if we get a decent deal. Plenty more to do of course but it's hardly the end of the world as many claim

 

[Farmer1001]

It's on the gov web site. Around 8% of non eu trade iirc. We have never had a deal with the US so that should improve from an already good surplus if we get a decent deal. Plenty more to do of course but it's hardly the end of the world as many claim

Always find it strange when someone says “it’s not the end of the world” when the end of the world is the worst possible outcome for scenario in a life or death scenario. In the case of trade, the status quo needs to be compared with what we were promised, lead to believe, assures etc when we were told about oven ready deals etc.

 

[Ashtree]

Reminds me of the live cattle trade. The usual buyers, traders and jobbers dominate the ringside seats and the bulk of the trade. More than a handful of winks, nods and gestures ensure every man gets his “opportunity” to fill his load, without too much competition.
Now when a “newbie” or farmer gets into the bidding, it’s often educational to sit back and observe how the “ringside gents”, suddenly collaborate to skin the poor barsteward newbie or farmer, wanting a “good deal”! The auctioneer of course is more than happy to facilitate the fresh excitement around the ring, and often adds a bit of fuel by taking phantom bids from the deep depths of his arse!
Welcome to the ringside all ye young and eager trade deal newbies .....

 

[Ncap]

Reminds me of the live cattle trade. The usual buyers, traders and jobbers dominate the ringside seats and the bulk of the trade. More than a handful of winks, nods and gestures ensure every man gets his “opportunity” to fill his load, without too much competition.
Now when a “newbie” or farmer gets into the bidding, it’s often educational to sit back and observe how the “ringside gents”, suddenly collaborate to skin the poor barsteward newbie or farmer, wanting a “good deal”! The auctioneer of course is more than happy to facilitate the fresh excitement around the ring, and often adds a bit of fuel by taking phantom bids from the deep depths of his arse!
Welcome to the ringside all ye young and eager trade deal newbies .....

But you're forgetting our secret weapon! Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox with his arsenal of 'innovative jam products'. The world really IS our oyster.

 

[Henarar]

Reminds me of the live cattle trade. The usual buyers, traders and jobbers dominate the ringside seats and the bulk of the trade. More than a handful of winks, nods and gestures ensure every man gets his “opportunity” to fill his load, without too much competition.
Now when a “newbie” or farmer gets into the bidding, it’s often educational to sit back and observe how the “ringside gents”, suddenly collaborate to skin the poor barsteward newbie or farmer, wanting a “good deal”! The auctioneer of course is more than happy to facilitate the fresh excitement around the ring, and often adds a bit of fuel by taking phantom bids from the deep depths of his arse!
Welcome to the ringside all ye young and eager trade deal newbies .....

Its also quite fun as a farmer around the ring or indeed in the sale field to land the dealer or better still the auctioneer with an overpriced purchase or ten works both ways that