Trailed vs Self Propelled Sprayer

[ajd132]

I imagine this has been debated to death here in the past so please point me toward any threads.

I'm vehemently in favour of SPs until really thinking about it recently, I have a lovely brand new JD 6215 that basically only carts grain and pulls the rolls. I then spend 900 hours a year bouncing around in a noisy, uncomfortable self propelled (2years old, 36m, all the toys aswell).

The only drawback I can really see is manouverability and spraying tall crops, but having never used a trailed I really have no idea.

Savings look massive.

TIA

 

[Right-arm fast]

For us it was weight. If the going gets tricky as it tends to do you are dragging another axle around which exacerbates the extra weight

 

[Chae1]

@Brisel

 

[ajd132]

Weight isn't an issue I don't think, I am CTF with permanent tramlines which don't get disturbed.

 

[Renaultman]

Hardi have just brought a 2000l mounted sprayer out with a 2000; front tank you could have a 4000l sprayer with the maneuverability of an SP. I personally would probably look at 1500 + 1500 if I win the lottery. Currently running 1000 + 1000 can comfortably swap from that to front press and Combi in about 10 minutes and one tractor drills and sprays everything, among other jobs. Just a suggestion and other sprayer manufacturers are available ')

 

[Right-arm fast]

Weight isn't an issue I don't think, I am CTF with permanent tramlines which don't get disturbed.

The only other small thing would be that it's perhaps not as easy to drive because the sprayer and therefore booms move independently of the tractor so you can't do it so much by feel, for want of a better expression, you get used to the slight differences anyway. How often would you have to take the sprayer off and on, that might be a pain for you.

 

[ajd132]

The only other small thing would be that it's perhaps not as easy to drive because the sprayer and therefore booms move independently of the tractor so you can't do it so much by feel, for want of a better expression, you get used to the slight differences anyway. How often would you have to take the sprayer off and on, that might be a pain for you.

It would come off in summer for carting, I have another tractor that can pull the rolls. I can imagine getting fed up with taking it on and off. If I went for one I would get as big as possible so 8000l. Doesn't need to be filled right up

 

[Renaultman]

It would come off in summer for carting, I have another tractor that can pull the rolls. I can imagine getting fed up with taking it on and off. If I went for one I would get as big as possible so 8000l. Doesn't need to be filled right up

Please ignore my previous post

 

[ajd132]

Please ignore my previous post

I meant to reply that you in the first place! Thanks for input everything's helpful!

 

[Renaultman]

I meant to reply that you in the first place! Thanks for input everything's helpful!

I do think it could be a sensible alternative to a 3500l SP or trailed but wouldn't like to carry any more than 2000 front and back and would probably go for 1500 back 1500 or 2000 front.

 

[Adeptandy]

I'm looking for an older SP ( still going to run the mounted to save on washing out ) as fed up with battering tall crops down, not only for the shedding losses, but also combine losses with the flattened tramlines, was a right pain in the OSR and Pea's this year. Even if needed it would be a lot better for Glysophate n the wheats with the extra clearance.

 

[Feldspar]

What is your Bateman's unladen weight? Still think their ability to go better in wet conditions is important. One big advantage of having a trailed is we could use one less GPS unit which is worth actually quite a lot of ££££s. Like the idea of having a big tank that you only part fill up if necessary. Don't buy the idea that CTF tramlines will totally change everything - you're still going to be sticky on top in wet conditions even if the ruts aren't as big as a normal system.

@dontknowanything has just got a new Horsch trailed and IIRC he was able to run fairly low tyre pressures with new tyre technology.

A bit of debate here: http://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/new-chafer-sprayer-range.57996/page-2

Spraying pre-harvest glyphosate is a big negative with trailed. Did some with a mounted sprayer this year and was very glad I only did one headland.

 

[dontknowanything]

We can run 0.8bar on our sprayer with a full tank (6250l) of fertiliser

 

[Feldspar]

We can run 0.8bar on our sprayer with a full tank (6250l) of fertiliser

What were the tyres you had again?

 

[dontknowanything]

What were the tyres you had again?

new Bridgestone VF range, 650/85R38

 

[ajd132]

What is your Bateman's unladen weight? Still think their ability to go better in wet conditions is important. One big advantage of having a trailed is we could use one less GPS unit which is worth actually quite a lot of ££££s. Like the idea of having a big tank that you only part fill up if necessary. Don't buy the idea that CTF tramlines will totally change everything - you're still going to be sticky on top in wet conditions even if the ruts aren't as big as a normal system.

@dontknowanything has just got a new Horsch trailed and IIRC he was able to run fairly low tyre pressures with new tyre technology.

A bit of debate here: http://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/new-chafer-sprayer-range.57996/page-2

Spraying pre-harvest glyphosate is a big negative with trailed. Did some with a mounted sprayer this year and was very glad I only did one headland.

we don't tend to get ruts and the current sprayer does tread very lightly.
We probably stay with what we've got as they are a great company but Its hard to detract from the fact they have been massively overtaken by the likes of horsch which I think is just an incredible machine.

 

[Feldspar]

we don't tend to get ruts and the current sprayer does tread very lightly.
We probably stay with what we've got as they are a great company but Its hard to detract from the fact they have been massively overtaken by the likes of horsch which I think is just an incredible machine.

That's basically what @Robt said. Horsch are in a different league, but Bateman is still very good and hold their value extremely well despite being a bit dated in their design.

 

[Feldspar]

new Bridgestone VF range, 650/85R38

Those pressures are quite impressive, but at that width you're probably going to have the same tramline area in the field as a 24m sprayer that switches to narrow row in the spring. Doing that means you can almost get continuous cropping in the middle of the field in crops like winter barley.

 

[Right-arm fast]

we don't tend to get ruts and the current sprayer does tread very lightly.
We probably stay with what we've got as they are a great company but Its hard to detract from the fact they have been massively overtaken by the likes of horsch which I think is just an incredible machine.

Is it the trailed you like the look of or both trailed and sp from Horsch.?

 

[Feldspar]

Plus you get this with Bateman: http://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/thank-you-bateman.86864/