Mick Miller
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- Wants pigeons, will travel.
Bad of me...
Two Days to Shoot Pigeons!
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renewablejohn
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- Location
- lancs
Would really laugh if Scotland Wales and NI said see you in court.
Landy Nick
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Dan7626
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Has anyone actually applied for 1 of these licences? If so has anyone actually heard back and been granted it?
A1an
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https://www.nature.scot/general-licence-status-scotland
Hopefully our lot will see sense and leave it alone but I get the impression it'll make no difference if the GL was to change.
Hopefully our lot will see sense and leave it alone but I get the impression it'll make no difference if the GL was to change.
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
Press release
Defra launches call for evidence on decision to revoke general licences for the management of certain wild birds
Defra launches call for evidence on impact of Natural England’s decision to revoke three general licences for the management of certain wild birds.
Published 4 May 2019
From:
Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs, Natural England, and The Rt Hon Michael Gove MP
The chair of Natural England, Tony Juniper, and Environment Secretary have exchanged letters this morning on General Licencing decision making powers.
The Environment Secretary has set out that he considers it appropriate to take over ultimate decision making powers for general licences, recognising the scale of interest and concern that has been generated by the decision to revoke and because of the intensity and urgency of the present situation.
Defra has today initiated a formal evidence gathering exercise in order to capture information from all concerned parties about the impact that the recent withdrawal of the three general licences (GL04, GL05 & GL06) on 25 April has had on the ground. In particular we want to gain a clear understanding of the implications for the protection of wild birds, and the impacts on crops, livestock, wildlife, disease, human health and safety and wider nature conservation efforts.
The evidence gathered from that exercise, alongside the information that Defra and Natural England have already received since 25 April will inform decisions and approach to getting back to a satisfactory situation.
The closing date for providing views and evidence is Monday 13 May. The Secretary of State then intends to take a further week to consider the evidence gathered and make a decision.
A separate review of general licences will take place later in the year and there will be a further opportunity to submit evidence and views at that point.
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Defra launches call for evidence on decision to revoke general licences for the management of certain wild birds
Defra launches call for evidence on impact of Natural England’s decision to revoke three general licences for the management of certain wild birds.
Published 4 May 2019
From:
Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs, Natural England, and The Rt Hon Michael Gove MP
The chair of Natural England, Tony Juniper, and Environment Secretary have exchanged letters this morning on General Licencing decision making powers.
The Environment Secretary has set out that he considers it appropriate to take over ultimate decision making powers for general licences, recognising the scale of interest and concern that has been generated by the decision to revoke and because of the intensity and urgency of the present situation.
Defra has today initiated a formal evidence gathering exercise in order to capture information from all concerned parties about the impact that the recent withdrawal of the three general licences (GL04, GL05 & GL06) on 25 April has had on the ground. In particular we want to gain a clear understanding of the implications for the protection of wild birds, and the impacts on crops, livestock, wildlife, disease, human health and safety and wider nature conservation efforts.
The evidence gathered from that exercise, alongside the information that Defra and Natural England have already received since 25 April will inform decisions and approach to getting back to a satisfactory situation.
The closing date for providing views and evidence is Monday 13 May. The Secretary of State then intends to take a further week to consider the evidence gathered and make a decision.
A separate review of general licences will take place later in the year and there will be a further opportunity to submit evidence and views at that point.
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HolzKopf
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- Kent&Snuffit
That's interesting - particularly if you read Tony Juniper's letter to Gove as well. Let's hope the 'stakeholders' that provide the evidence to Gove make their points forcefully and clearly. You cannot have specific general licences - it's an oxymoron, also unnecessary, cumbersome and unenforceable law imo
paul&mandy
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- surrey/west sussex
Fiveospades
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- Location
- Norfolk Broads
Both the NFU and the CLA are hopefully talking to the people that matter on our behalf. There is always a lot of lobbying behind the scenes that goes on before a response is published. This situation is not one for knocking anybody that is representing those most affected and any representation should be welcomed.
What is worrying is that it is to be later in the year before a response or decision is likely to be made. In the meantime our crops and wildlife are being hammered through a lack of expedient action. Already quite a large number of people are controlling vermin without a licence as they always have done. Our local constabularies have enough on their plates without chasing farmers across fields to remind them that they are breaking the law. What will happen if Mr. Gove is no longer in his current post later in the year and somebody else has to consider all the evidence etc: , I can see a very long time in limbo for us all. In some ways Mr. Packham and Co. have won despite not thinking the consequences through in the first instance.
What is worrying is that it is to be later in the year before a response or decision is likely to be made. In the meantime our crops and wildlife are being hammered through a lack of expedient action. Already quite a large number of people are controlling vermin without a licence as they always have done. Our local constabularies have enough on their plates without chasing farmers across fields to remind them that they are breaking the law. What will happen if Mr. Gove is no longer in his current post later in the year and somebody else has to consider all the evidence etc: , I can see a very long time in limbo for us all. In some ways Mr. Packham and Co. have won despite not thinking the consequences through in the first instance.
yellow belly
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- south west lincolnshire
We farmers who have problems with crows pigeons magpies rooks should reply as individuals with details and pictures of damage to crops animals and wildlife
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- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
DEFRA 13th June .............
Press release
Three new general licences announced
Three new general licences for the killing or taking of wild birds in England will be issued on Friday 14 June.
Published 13 June 2019
From:
Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs, Natural England, and The Rt Hon Michael Gove MP
Three new general licences for the killing or taking of wild birds in England will be issued at 00:01 on Friday 14 June.
The recent call for evidence demonstrated a range of impacts that individuals and groups experienced as a result of the revocation of licences GL04, 05 and 06, including crow attacks on lambs and ewes during lambing, the risk of predation for eggs and fledglings of birds of conservation concern, and public health issues caused by pigeons in urban areas. A summary of the evidence and the government response will be published shortly.
The new licences will allow users to control certain species of wild birds in order to:
The call for evidence Use of general licences for the management of certain wild birds closed on Monday 13 May, with over 4,000 responses submitted. Having also sought the views of user groups on the usability of different potential licensing options, the three new general licences seek to protect wild birds whilst recognising the legitimate needs of people and other wildlife.
The three new general licences cover species and specified purposes that Defra considers appropriate in light of the information gathered through that exercise and other relevant evidence, including statutory advice from Natural England. At this stage, the new licences will not apply to European protected sites (more information below).
The licences will be valid until 29 February 2020. In the meantime, Defra will lead a review of the longer-term general licensing arrangements. We intend to launch an initial public consultation by the end of the summer, with further details to follow. Defra will work closely on this review with Natural England, who have already indicated the need to examine a wider range of general and class licences.
Environment Secretary Michael Gove said:
I recognise the scale of interest and concern that was generated by Natural England’s decision to revoke three general licences and I am grateful to those thousands of individuals and groups who shared their experiences in responding to the call for evidence.
The three new general licences announced today seek to minimise some of the negative impacts that the withdrawal of the previous licences had. But this is a temporary way forward and does not cover European protected sites, where the law is more complicated and we continue to engage with stakeholders.
We will shortly set out details of a wider review of general licences, to provide a long term licensing solution which balances the needs of users and wildlife.
Natural England’s Chair, Tony Juniper CBE, said:
I welcome the Environment Secretary’s announcement today, which follows a great deal of work between Defra and Natural England to tackle an exceptionally complex situation.
I am immensely grateful for the efforts of my colleagues at Natural England in putting in place alternatives for users affected by the recent changes to general licences.
Our aim has always been to ensure that there is a robust licensing system in place which takes into account the needs of people and wildlife. We look forward to working closely with Defra on a review of general licences later this year to help achieve this.
Natural England revoked three general licences (GL04, 05 and 06) in April following a legal challenge and subsequent legal advice which concluded that the three licences were unlawful. For many users, Defra’s new licences will be the appropriate option. Beyond these, Natural England recently issued three general licences GL26, GL28 and GL31 to cover some of the species and purposes covered by the original licences that were revoked. These remain in place, since they allow for specified activity on European protected sites which are not covered by Defra’s new licences.
Natural England also introduced an interim system for issuing individual licences whilst the replacement general licences were being developed. Users who have received one of these individual licences can continue to operate under them should they wish. Whichever licence a user chooses to rely on, they will need to ensure they comply with the conditions and requirements of that licence. Natural England will be contacting all applicants who have made one of these individual licence applications where a licence has not yet been issued to determine whether they need to continue to with any part of their application.
New licences
General licence to kill or take certain species of wild birds to conserve wild birds and flora or fauna (GL34)
Species covered: Carrion Crow, jackdaw, jay, magpie, rook, Canada goose, Egyptian goose, monk parakeet, ring-necked parakeet, sacred ibis and Indian house-crow
General licence to kill or take certain species of wild birds to preserve public health or public safety (GL35)
Species covered: Carrion crow, jackdaw, magpie, feral pigeon, rook, Canada goose and monk parakeet
General licence to kill or take certain species of wild birds to prevent serious damage to livestock, foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber, fisheries or inland waters (GL36)
Species covered: Carrion crow, jackdaw, magpie, feral pigeon, rook, woodpigeon, Canada goose, Egyptian goose, monk parakeet and ring-necked parakeet
Gulls
Users can continue to apply to Natural England for an individual licence for control of herring gulls, and now for lesser black-backed gulls. Due to their poorer conservation status, these species have not been included in the new general licences. In terms of control of nests and eggs, their breeding season for this year is largely complete, so Natural England is developing a new class licence for these species to be ready in good time for next year’s breeding season.
Protected sites
European protected sites are subject to specific EU law requirements given their particular importance to conservation. These include a process for ensuring that any impacts on the site are properly considered before any plan or project can be undertaken, known as a Habitats Regulations Assessment (HRA). There are a number of ways in which people can continue to carry out control on European protected sites – which include Special Areas of Conservation (SACs), Special Protection Areas (SPAs) – as well as Ramsar sites. For instance, they can apply to Natural England for an individual licence if they are not already covered by an existing individual licence or the specific circumstances provided for by Natural England’s three recent general licences (carrion crow, Canada goose and woodpigeon). Users who already have an individual licence issued since 25 April 2019 can continue to operate under that should they wish.
At this stage the three new general licences will not apply to European protected sites, or to land within 300 metres of those sites. Defra will continue to work closely with conservationists, farmers, landowners, pest controllers, gamekeepers and all interested stakeholders in order to develop solutions that may be available for activity on protected sites.
As in the previous system, users will need to ensure they have consent from Natural England for any activity on Sites of Special Scientific Interest.
Press release
Three new general licences announced
Three new general licences for the killing or taking of wild birds in England will be issued on Friday 14 June.
Published 13 June 2019
From:
Department for Environment, Food & Rural Affairs, Natural England, and The Rt Hon Michael Gove MP
Three new general licences for the killing or taking of wild birds in England will be issued at 00:01 on Friday 14 June.
The recent call for evidence demonstrated a range of impacts that individuals and groups experienced as a result of the revocation of licences GL04, 05 and 06, including crow attacks on lambs and ewes during lambing, the risk of predation for eggs and fledglings of birds of conservation concern, and public health issues caused by pigeons in urban areas. A summary of the evidence and the government response will be published shortly.
The new licences will allow users to control certain species of wild birds in order to:
- conserve wild birds and flora or fauna (WML GL34)
- preserve public health or public safety (WML GL35)
- prevent serious damage to livestock, foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber, fisheries or inland waters (WML GL36)
The call for evidence Use of general licences for the management of certain wild birds closed on Monday 13 May, with over 4,000 responses submitted. Having also sought the views of user groups on the usability of different potential licensing options, the three new general licences seek to protect wild birds whilst recognising the legitimate needs of people and other wildlife.
The three new general licences cover species and specified purposes that Defra considers appropriate in light of the information gathered through that exercise and other relevant evidence, including statutory advice from Natural England. At this stage, the new licences will not apply to European protected sites (more information below).
The licences will be valid until 29 February 2020. In the meantime, Defra will lead a review of the longer-term general licensing arrangements. We intend to launch an initial public consultation by the end of the summer, with further details to follow. Defra will work closely on this review with Natural England, who have already indicated the need to examine a wider range of general and class licences.
Environment Secretary Michael Gove said:
I recognise the scale of interest and concern that was generated by Natural England’s decision to revoke three general licences and I am grateful to those thousands of individuals and groups who shared their experiences in responding to the call for evidence.
The three new general licences announced today seek to minimise some of the negative impacts that the withdrawal of the previous licences had. But this is a temporary way forward and does not cover European protected sites, where the law is more complicated and we continue to engage with stakeholders.
We will shortly set out details of a wider review of general licences, to provide a long term licensing solution which balances the needs of users and wildlife.
Natural England’s Chair, Tony Juniper CBE, said:
I welcome the Environment Secretary’s announcement today, which follows a great deal of work between Defra and Natural England to tackle an exceptionally complex situation.
I am immensely grateful for the efforts of my colleagues at Natural England in putting in place alternatives for users affected by the recent changes to general licences.
Our aim has always been to ensure that there is a robust licensing system in place which takes into account the needs of people and wildlife. We look forward to working closely with Defra on a review of general licences later this year to help achieve this.
Natural England revoked three general licences (GL04, 05 and 06) in April following a legal challenge and subsequent legal advice which concluded that the three licences were unlawful. For many users, Defra’s new licences will be the appropriate option. Beyond these, Natural England recently issued three general licences GL26, GL28 and GL31 to cover some of the species and purposes covered by the original licences that were revoked. These remain in place, since they allow for specified activity on European protected sites which are not covered by Defra’s new licences.
Natural England also introduced an interim system for issuing individual licences whilst the replacement general licences were being developed. Users who have received one of these individual licences can continue to operate under them should they wish. Whichever licence a user chooses to rely on, they will need to ensure they comply with the conditions and requirements of that licence. Natural England will be contacting all applicants who have made one of these individual licence applications where a licence has not yet been issued to determine whether they need to continue to with any part of their application.
New licences
General licence to kill or take certain species of wild birds to conserve wild birds and flora or fauna (GL34)
Species covered: Carrion Crow, jackdaw, jay, magpie, rook, Canada goose, Egyptian goose, monk parakeet, ring-necked parakeet, sacred ibis and Indian house-crow
General licence to kill or take certain species of wild birds to preserve public health or public safety (GL35)
Species covered: Carrion crow, jackdaw, magpie, feral pigeon, rook, Canada goose and monk parakeet
General licence to kill or take certain species of wild birds to prevent serious damage to livestock, foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber, fisheries or inland waters (GL36)
Species covered: Carrion crow, jackdaw, magpie, feral pigeon, rook, woodpigeon, Canada goose, Egyptian goose, monk parakeet and ring-necked parakeet
Gulls
Users can continue to apply to Natural England for an individual licence for control of herring gulls, and now for lesser black-backed gulls. Due to their poorer conservation status, these species have not been included in the new general licences. In terms of control of nests and eggs, their breeding season for this year is largely complete, so Natural England is developing a new class licence for these species to be ready in good time for next year’s breeding season.
Protected sites
European protected sites are subject to specific EU law requirements given their particular importance to conservation. These include a process for ensuring that any impacts on the site are properly considered before any plan or project can be undertaken, known as a Habitats Regulations Assessment (HRA). There are a number of ways in which people can continue to carry out control on European protected sites – which include Special Areas of Conservation (SACs), Special Protection Areas (SPAs) – as well as Ramsar sites. For instance, they can apply to Natural England for an individual licence if they are not already covered by an existing individual licence or the specific circumstances provided for by Natural England’s three recent general licences (carrion crow, Canada goose and woodpigeon). Users who already have an individual licence issued since 25 April 2019 can continue to operate under that should they wish.
At this stage the three new general licences will not apply to European protected sites, or to land within 300 metres of those sites. Defra will continue to work closely with conservationists, farmers, landowners, pest controllers, gamekeepers and all interested stakeholders in order to develop solutions that may be available for activity on protected sites.
As in the previous system, users will need to ensure they have consent from Natural England for any activity on Sites of Special Scientific Interest.
HolzKopf
Member
- Location
- Kent&Snuffit
Am I right in thinking that these new licences apart from trapping etc only permit shooting with a semi automatic or is a 'standard' s/s or o/u covered under the phrase 'above to use any otherwise lawful methods'
Is it woolly or am I being woolly headed?
Is it woolly or am I being woolly headed?
- Location
- North West England
I read it as being legal to shoot with s/s, o/u, single shot .410, rim fire or Centre fire rifle, or an air rifle etc. As these are all lawful methods of shooting pest bird species under the terms of the General Licence.
- Location
- Dumfries & Galloway
No, you're allowed to shoot with any gun.
I think they single out Sec1 and Sec2 semi-auto shotguns for mentioning to highlight these are still legal also (IIRC the NE altered General License said you couldn't use Semi Autos?)