UK going back to work

[Lowland1]

That might be a fact but its still a huge quantity of fuel, just to see somebody dressed as Mickey Mouse or something.

34 mpg to go into town for essential supplies is less than a pint of fuel for me.

if a hundred families drove their cars to Miami and back to see somebody dressed as Mickey Mouse spending £1250 on fuel for each of their cars people would consider it a gross waste of resources and money. Yet the same thing is or was happening by air travel thousands of times per day. It’s a kind of madness that’s crept up on us, the elephant in the room, millions of gallons of irreplaceable fossil fuel burnt for frivolous purposes with no consideration whatsoever for environmental conaequencea. And the worst of it is that our economy relies on this waste to sustain itself. What a shambles.

I can't deny travelling to see Mickey and Minnie makes no sense to me but having lived in Florida for a year there is a lot more than that to see. From home I can be in Skegness in 45 minutes but that is n't going to appeal to everyone. The problem is to most people a holiday is n't frivolous it's what they spend their year working towards I would hazard a guess that most people don't particularly enjoy their jobs so to them this is an essential item probably more so than food. The worlds' economy is based on stupid things no doubt. 12000 British Airways workers have now lost their jobs because air travel will never be the same plus no doubt a lot of other ancillary staff. Mickey and Minnie and a raft of hotel workers and all those associated workers will be suffering there will be a knock on affect that will hit us all. Farmers think they are safe because everyone has to eat but the ripples have already hit us and will continue to do so. What we all need is for the world to get back to as close as it was to before this hit as soon as possible and that means people going back to work we live in a society today where people demand more than shelter and food. Obviously people are not going to go on holiday like they did before and lot's of industries are no doubt questioning their methods and consumption of both people and energy but no one wants to see hoards of jobless roaming the streets even if they are just unemployed airline pilots. We need to change for sure but not like this.

 

[stewart]

That might be a fact but its still a huge quantity of fuel, just to see somebody dressed as Mickey Mouse or something.

34 mpg to go into town for essential supplies is less than a pint of fuel for me.

if a hundred families drove their cars to Miami and back to see somebody dressed as Mickey Mouse spending £1250 on fuel for each of their cars people would consider it a gross waste of resources and money. Yet the same thing is or was happening by air travel thousands of times per day. It’s a kind of madness that’s crept up on us, the elephant in the room, millions of gallons of irreplaceable fossil fuel burnt for frivolous purposes with no consideration whatsoever for environmental conaequencea. And the worst of it is that our economy relies on this waste to sustain itself. What a shambles.

What is wrong with flying across the world to see Mickey Mouse? Or any other form of holiday travel. The money it generated was quite phenomenal, some may see it as frivolous, personal I didn't, it is preferable to a return to sackcloth ashes existence.

 

[Northern territory]

I’ve worked from a home base since 2008! I do also travel (normally) so get out and about around the country. Prior to 2008 I was office based and I can tell you I spent many hours in fruitless meetings just because we could all walk 2 mins to a boardroom or training room and meet. We had sometimes way too many meetings some weeks.

which is fine as you get out plenty. If you worked for a bank or insurance company I don’t think that would be the case. It seems that this is the way things are going to go , I’m just saying working from home isn’t always as good and straightforward as it sounds and add kids into the mix as well.

 

[Still Farming]

You must be a wealthy man and family. Can afford to self isolate for the duration to protect your family lives and the NHS. Could be locked down for years waiting for a vaccine. Got to get on with it. Just be careful. Which in my book at the moment means keep away from anyone with links to the NHS and Care homes as that is the sector I reckon it is working way through.

Farming goes on wharever wether we got any money or not .
You may understand or not.

 

[czechmate]

Farming goes on wharever wether we got any money or not .
You may understand or not.

On one hand I know what you are saying but in 2020 it’s a bit silly. How you going to buy fuel without money?

 

[DrWazzock]

I can't deny travelling to see Mickey and Minnie makes no sense to me but having lived in Florida for a year there is a lot more than that to see. From home I can be in Skegness in 45 minutes but that is n't going to appeal to everyone. The problem is to most people a holiday is n't frivolous it's what they spend their year working towards I would hazard a guess that most people don't particularly enjoy their jobs so to them this is an essential item probably more so than food. The worlds' economy is based on stupid things no doubt. 12000 British Airways workers have now lost their jobs because air travel will never be the same plus no doubt a lot of other ancillary staff. Mickey and Minnie and a raft of hotel workers and all those associated workers will be suffering there will be a knock on affect that will hit us all. Farmers think they are safe because everyone has to eat but the ripples have already hit us and will continue to do so. What we all need is for the world to get back to as close as it was to before this hit as soon as possible and that means people going back to work we live in a society today where people demand more than shelter and food. Obviously people are not going to go on holiday like they did before and lot's of industries are no doubt questioning their methods and consumption of both people and energy but no one wants to see hoards of jobless roaming the streets even if they are just unemployed airline pilots. We need to change for sure but not like this.

I understand what you are saying. We cannot afford a cliff edge stop present economic structures. I don’t want to see mass unemployment and all the misery that brings.
I only try to understand how we have arrived at a situation of reliance on vast amounts of fossil fuel to provide “circuses” that make people’s lives endurable and worth living. To me there is something fundamentally wrong with society and the way we work when all people have to look forward to is a two week holiday abroad.
Everyday should bring satisfaction and contentment.
The technological age was supposed to bring in a higher standard of living and more time for leisure for everybody not the few. And surely leisure and creativity can occur without long distance travel?
It will never be right in our time but it’s interesting to examine the fundamentals of how the system works and seek to find eventually a kinder way forward for all concerned.

 

[Mek]

What is wrong with flying across the world to see Mickey Mouse? Or any other form of holiday travel. The money it generated was quite phenomenal, some may see it as frivolous, personal I didn't, it is preferable to a return to sackcloth ashes existence.

I think the main thing that is wrong is the pollution. I have very rarely flown,I have no desire to fly but I don’t think I lead a sackcloth and ashes existence. I live below what appears to be a flight corridor, at any one time during normal times I can look up and see aircraft. There is usually a constant rumble of aircraft. I may be wrong but I’m convinced that there must be some sort of fallout from jet engines polluting the air. I don’t have a problem with flying if it is necessary but I do think frivolous flights should be far more expensive. Something along the lines of people being charged more per mile for every flight they take.

 

[robs1]

I think the main thing that is wrong is the pollution. I have very rarely flown,I have no desire to fly but I don’t think I lead a sackcloth and ashes existence. I live below what appears to be a flight corridor, at any one time during normal times I can look up and see aircraft. There is usually a constant rumble of aircraft. I may be wrong but I’m convinced that there must be some sort of fallout from jet engines polluting the air. I don’t have a problem with flying if it is necessary but I do think frivolous flights should be far more expensive. Something along the lines of people being charged more per mile for every flight they take.

But that just discriminates against the poorer members of society, surely that's something your against. The whole point of new tech was to give people a better work life balance and hence more leisure time.

 

[4course]

having been on more or less lock down this last few weeks and having had no what I would call time out im looking forward to the future going somewhere to see and experience different things whilst friviously enjoying myself. However the chances of me being on a cruise ship are absolutely nil ,they where pretty low before this so will be flying somewhere as soon as I can work permitting

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

I understand what you are saying. We cannot afford a cliff edge stop present economic structures. I don’t want to see mass unemployment and all the misery that brings.
I only try to understand how we have arrived at a situation of reliance on vast amounts of fossil fuel to provide “circuses” that make people’s lives endurable and worth living. To me there is something fundamentally wrong with society and the way we work when all people have to look forward to is a two week holiday abroad.
Everyday should bring satisfaction and contentment.
The technological age was supposed to bring in a higher standard of living and more time for leisure for everybody not the few. And surely leisure and creativity can occur without long distance travel?
It will never be right in our time but it’s interesting to examine the fundamentals of how the system works and seek to find eventually a kinder way forward for all concerned.

I think what went wrong with the technological and digital age was the rise and malicious influence of social media which can be just as big a plague as cv19 in many people's lives. Bloody Facebook, Twitter and Instagram full of pictures of cats and dinners, people airbrushing their lives and saying spiteful things to each other that they'd never say to someone's face. And then there's escapist 'celebrity' culture and 'social influencers' - hardly essential workers at the moment, and yet pre-virus they gained considerable wealth with their trout pouts and floppy haircuts.

You're right about needing to find a kinder way forwards and to my mind that means slowing things down; being more mindful of the little highlights of every day that would have been missed previously; understanding and accepting that most of us have enough material 'stuff' in our homes to last a lifetime - why do we need rip out functional bathrooms and kitchens or replace sofas because grey is the new on-trend colour; spending time and engaging with people and nature in real time, not through a screen; and being creative even if the result isn't worthy of an Instagram 'look at me' post.

 

[Mek]

But that just discriminates against the poorer members of society, surely that's something your against. The whole point of new tech was to give people a better work life balance and hence more leisure time.

Most “poorer” people will only be having one holiday a year so will be paying the same as the more well off. Those with more money who take more flights will pay more.

 

[Lowland1]

A major flare up point for this virus was ski resorts not i would presume the haunt of the working class generally but people seem quite keen to deny them two weeks in Ibiza or with Mickey and Minnie.

 

[7610 super q]

It would be interesting to compare different countries air miles per head of population.

 

[n.w]

Talking of pollution... https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor...-in-on-carbon-belching-luxury-wildlife-tours/

 

[Widgetone]

I've always thought that ppl who go on 'exotic' ( needed to be careful to spell that correctly to avoid Baldric's attention ) long haul holidays do it to show off and show that they have the spare cash to blow.
Having said that, long weekend flying visits to Europe are probably just as polluting..

I'm still hoping people will see the beauty of their own country if we get over this current mess and travel less.

 

[Martin Holden]

which is fine as you get out plenty. If you worked for a bank or insurance company I don’t think that would be the case. It seems that this is the way things are going to go , I’m just saying working from home isn’t always as good and straightforward as it sounds and add kids into the mix as well.

Fair comment, I have the benefit of mixing home based office work with on site visits to dealers and farmers although less so for the foreseeable future as major events as demonstrations are all cancelled. today we hear from Lloyds and the BBC among many other corporations that costs have to be cut to take account of falling revenue, so the lockdown is having a much bigger effect than our Chancellor suggested originally. I am sure he knew weeks ago what the mid/long term effect would be and we are now seeing the effects in real time. There will undoubtedly be higher unemployment going forward even if the economy got going across all platforms in the immediate future. Overseas travel looks decidedly a "no no" this summer, so the temptation of people to visit our favourite destinations is going to be huge! at least that would put money into our own economy!

 

[Still Farming]

 

[grainboy]

Am following the rules
Going to work, with social distancing and common sense,

As couldn’t fit this in my garage to dismantle it !!!

ps, the only persons I have contact with are my wife, and one staff member,
No contact with members of the public other than once a week for diesel.

 

[Hesston4860s]

Gang of roof framers were on site here yesterday ,,two lots of trusses fixed ready for the tilers ,,be a few sites pushing to get on again

Site other end of village apart from a few days I suspect due to weather hasn’t really stopped.

 

[Hesston4860s]

Am following the rules
Going to work, with social distancing and common sense, View attachment 874760
As couldn’t fit this in my garage to dismantle it !!!

ps, the only persons I have contact with are my wife, and one staff member,
No contact with members of the public other than once a week for diesel.

what size is that and is it for sale ?.