UKCA markings

[Robt]

Good morning all.
Do any of you know or inded heard of UKCA markimgs?
Its the mark some machines sold into UK will need after a no deal Brexit.
Just looking to see how information is getting out...

 

[Cropper]

Not heard anything about this. Is it like the old kite mark that preceded the CE standards?

 

[Cowabunga]

Good morning all.
Do any of you know or inded heard of UKCA markimgs?
Its the mark some machines sold into UK will need after a no deal Brexit.
Just looking to see how information is getting out...

Why can't we continue with the CE mark? Everything imported from everywhere seems to have the CE mark, so it doesn't take a genius to work out that we can continue to accept is and indeed use it on our own manufactured goods for export purposes.

Or am I missing something?

 

[Robt]

Er yes Duck, the country voted to leave the EU and its laws..... CE will not be legal after a no deal brexit. That is just one of thousands of things Mr Johnson has to negotiate on. It is suggested it will remain ''recognized'' for a few month only. Its the same if you produce items in uk and have them tested by a uk company and want to sell in Europe

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CE mark
noun

1. a symbol applied to products to indicate that they conform with relevant EU directives regarding health and safety or environmental protection.

 

[Cowabunga]

Er yes Duck, the country voted to leave the EU and its laws..... CE will not be legal after a no deal brexit. That is just one of thousands of things Mr Johnson has to negotiate on. It is suggested it will remain ''recognized'' for a few month only. Its the same if you produce items in uk and have them tested by a uk company and want to sell in Europe

Edit
CE mark
noun

1. a symbol applied to products to indicate that they conform with relevant EU directives regarding health and safety or environmental protection.

Yes, but the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Americans and uncle Joe Cobbly and all make CE marked products and sell them here in the UK. None of those are in the EU or make those goods within the EU.
We recognise CE markings as 'something' now when it comes to official markings and I fail to see, in this case, why we could not continue to do so in future when outside the EU. We would certainly need to CE approve and audit products made in the UK and exported to the EU going forward and permanently.

 

[Robt]

Dont blame the messenger!

 

[Cowabunga]

Dont blame the messenger!

I'm not. I am questioning why the UK would need different standards in this sector though, especially when it would still need CE for export to the EU, like everyone else. It sounds mightily like 'jobs for the boys' to me and highly inefficient.

 

[Robt]

Sadly, someone, The government or more likely the EU has decieded we cant use it anymore in a no deal. I get the whole idea of things being made in the UK and exported (they can use that against us) but I dont get the idea the other way round... If I hear more, ill report back

 

[Cowabunga]

But we must be able to use it. It is essential and used by every company and country that exports to the EU. I don't understand what's going down with this and suspect that it is the UK gold-plating again or civil servants creating work for themselves. Maybe not though. Something fishy about it.

 

[Robt]

It’s the EU not allowing it not the Uk!
You can kinda see their cunning plan.
It’s on everything from a watch battery to , well everything. This is one of thousand a of “small “ details Boris needs to work out

 

[Martin Holden]

Beginning to smell like a whole new industry to set up standards and of course pass the cost on! If the EU don’t/can’t allow us to use the CE marking then it’s going to hurt them too. All this nonsense created by politicians (human beings) just because they can and they don’t want a member to leave. If they were to reform then we wouldn’t need to! They don’t seem to want to do so, so no wonder many voted out and I think there are many more in other states feeling the same way although may not be a majority. So much uncertainty makes for hassle unfortunately.

 

[Cowabunga]

Looks like a UK bright idea from where I'm standing. It is the UK that won't recognise the CE standard, not the other way about. We will still be required, as I said previously, to CE mark export goods. Imported goods will presumably need UKCA plus CE marks if sold in both areas.
You couldn't make rubbish like this up as fiction.

 

[Martin Holden]

Beginning to smell like a whole new industry to set up standards and of course pass the cost on! If the EU don’t/can’t allow us to use the CE marking then it’s going to hurt them too. All this nonsense created by politicians (human beings) just because they can and they don’t want a member to leave. If they were to reform then we wouldn’t need to! They don’t seem to want to do no wonder many voted out and I think there are many more in other states feeling the same way although may not be a majority. So much uncertainty makes for hassle unfortunately.

 

[Cowabunga]

Beginning to smell like a whole new industry to set up standards and of course pass the cost on! If the EU don’t/can’t allow us to use the CE marking then it’s going to hurt them too. All this nonsense created by politicians (human beings) just because they can and they don’t want a member to leave. If they were to reform then we wouldn’t need to! They don’t seem to want to do no wonder many voted out and I think there are many more in other states feeling the same way although may not be a majority. So much uncertainty makes for hassle unfortunately.

Of course the EU allows us to use the CE mark. Indeed they demand it on all relevant imports.
Yes, it sounds like a job creation scheme. It will add significant cost to everything that requires them, which in the UK will in practice be both marks.

 

[thesilentone]

I think whatever the outcome, it is likely we will adopt most EU product rules and standards, we will have no choice if we are to sell to them.

Or, we could do what Yanks do, say we comply, send a certificate of conformity and completely ignore them

EG: Some years ago a local company was importing equipment from America. They had to comply (as they had engines) with noise, emissions and hand arm / whole body vibration. Which they did - sort of. The machines at full operating revs exceeded all of the above, so the Yanks fitted a stop in the throttle control, at a position and revs where the machine did meet all EU standards. The machine did not perform at these low revs, so everyone removed the stop, problem solved.

 

[deleted user 837354]

I think the hubbub was that the CE mark was a trademark 'owned' by the EU and they would not allow us to use it. So the DTI or whoever brought in the UKCA mark which is a bit like the old UK kitemark jobby.

Countries exporting machines or products to other countries need to comply with the buyer country's standards. This is not new and companies are perfectly entitled to develop products to suit whatever markets they choose.

 

[the-mad-welder]

I've got a certification for structural steel, EN1090 or "CE marked steelwork". At the first threat of a no deal earlier in the year the below was sent out by the notified body regarding UKCA marks. It's a bit wordy but I thought it may be of interest.



Dear customer


I would like to bring you up to date with the latest position regarding what might happen in the event of a 'no deal' Brexit and how it could affect CE marking and your BS EN 1090 certification.


Please be reassured that Alcumus ISOQAR is doing everything possible to ensure continued smooth operation of your business and that we are currently making arrangements to enable companies registered with Alcumus ISOQAR to be able to continue to CE mark structural steel components for export to the EU.


What 'no deal' could mean for companies that supply the UK market only.

In the event of a 'no deal' Brexit, the government plan is to replace CE marking with a new 'UKCA' mark. Manufacturers will need to use the UKCA marking if their products require third party assessment of conformity within the UK for products covered by the CPR (Construction Products Regulation) after the 29th March 2019.


If the UK leaves the EU without a deal, the government has stated that manufacturers will be able, for "a period of time" (which will be determined in consultation with business), to continue to use CE marking when placing their products on the UK market (if their product meets the relevant EU requirements).


Alcumus ISOQAR would automatically become an approved body for issuing the UKCA mark for application to structural steel components in place of the CE mark.


What 'no deal' could mean for companies that supply both the UK and EU markets.

In the event of a 'no deal' Brexit, products being exported to the EU which currently require the CE marking will still need to carry the CE marking to demonstrate compliance with the relevant EU regulatory requirements.


Alcumus ISOQAR is currently making arrangements for UK companies to be able to CE mark products for export to the EU. I will update you with more details when available.


Reciprocal arrangements will apply to EU companies who import into the UK (if their product meets the relevant EU requirements).


Alcumus ISOQAR has asked UKAS and the relevant government ministry, in the event of a 'no deal', whether it could be a consideration for existing BS EN 1090 certificates to continue to be valid until they expire (i.e. at the 3 yearly recertification audit); in this way we would not be reissuing certificates and adding costs to what are often small businesses. I will inform you when guidance is received.


Please note that these arrangements are subject to change as negotiations are ongoing and it could be that a 'mutual arrangement' is reached. I will share this information with you as it becomes available, including through the blog on our website which you can find here.


I would like to reassure you that we are currently making arrangements for UK companies with us to be able to CE mark products for export to the EU. There are a number of options we are putting in place in the event of 'no deal' and we will endeavour to ensure that all of our clients can continue to trade with the European market.


I will write again as we get more information. In the meantime, if you have any questions, please contact Steve Stubley at [email protected].


Regards


Steve Stubley

Technical Director

Alcumus ISOQAR

 

[thesilentone]

Thankfully, that clears that up................

Now, for the next 9,999,999 things we will need to change

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Hey look on the bright side. Job creation for the feckless

It would be too much to expect post Brexit UK to have too many folk in actual real productive work.

Re-writing existing rules and standards maybe with the flair of a union flag and/or some red and blue in the logo is a far better use of our scarce resources.....

 

[Highland Mule]

Don’t you guys get it? The people voted to leave the EU and not be dictated to by Eurocrats, hence we cannot be told what our engineering standards are. Plenty of other countries manufacture to CE and use it as a basis for acceptable engineering, but the people voted that the UK would not. Why should we let Europe tell us how think a wall should be to stand up, how strong steel we need to build a bridge or whatever? Engineering standards should be UK ones, not those from the EU.

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