Ultra Processed Food Is Rubbish

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https://www.theguardian.com/science...ssed-foods-may-be-linked-to-cancer-says-study

Bit obvious to some of us but the message needs repeating and repeating.

 

[Gong Farmer]

It's old news indeed but I wish someone would give a simple definition of what a processed food is. If it's as they describe it it must be more than 50% of consumption?

 

[Sussex Martin]

It's old news indeed but I wish someone would give a simple definition of what a processed food is. If it's as they describe it it must be more than 50% of consumption?

Exactly, if I purchase some low fat mince and make burgers with it without any other additives is it processed and should we not eat it? How much processing is processed?

 

[Goweresque]

Odd that life expectancy has risen massively then over the last 100 years, precisely as we have eaten more processed foods, to the point that the broad mass of the population eat nothing other than processed foods. If it was that bad for us we'd all be dropping like flies. But we aren't. I therefore conclude that this 'research', like pretty much everything printed in the press on the subject is total b*ll*cks.

I have this theory that the modern obsession with health, and what foods give you cancer and what things are 'super foods' that will make you live forever is intimately linked to the decline of religion in the West. I think that people no longer have any religious belief that there is an afterlife, and are obsessed with trying to avoid death, by eating the right things and exercising etc. The gym is the new church - if you worship there enough, you will live forever............

We are all going to die, obsessing about what foods give you cancer is not going to a) make you immortal or b) make your years on this mortal coil any more agreeable.

 

[Macsky]

Are you religious/believe in eternity @Goweresque ?

 

[Goweresque]

Are you religious/believe in eternity @Goweresque ?

Not really. As far as I can see, we're an animal like any other on Earth, we're born, we die. Anything else is just the way our lizard brains try to come to terms with our mortality. Because we have developed sentience we can contemplate our own mortality, which I don't think other animals can do, we try to create someway that we won't die really, despite the evidence of our own eyes, hence religious belief in an afterlife.

 

[Macsky]

Have you just contradicted yourself? are we an animal like any other, or are we higher thinking sentient beings?

I very much believe & hope in eternity. Much of what I see/experience in human life seems to be bound to decay and destruction, and I don’t believe things were meant to be this way.

Why do we age, when we are born with all the functionality to replace and repair cells? Why do we die? Why can’t we get along? What is conscience?

I’m a Bible believing Christian, it’s the only place I can find satisfactory and logical answers to these, and plenty other musings.

 

[Barleycorn]

Exactly, if I purchase some low fat mince and make burgers with it without any other additives is it processed and should we not eat it? How much processing is processed?

You'd be better off buying mince with a natural amount of fat in it, far healthier.

 

[itsalwaysme]

Odd that life expectancy has risen massively then over the last 100 years, precisely as we have eaten more processed foods, to the point that the broad mass of the population eat nothing other than processed foods. If it was that bad for us we'd all be dropping like flies. But we aren't. I therefore conclude that this 'research', like pretty much everything printed in the press on the subject is total b*ll*cks.

I have this theory that the modern obsession with health, and what foods give you cancer and what things are 'super foods' that will make you live forever is intimately linked to the decline of religion in the West. I think that people no longer have any religious belief that there is an afterlife, and are obsessed with trying to avoid death, by eating the right things and exercising etc. The gym is the new church - if you worship there enough, you will live forever............

We are all going to die, obsessing about what foods give you cancer is not going to a) make you immortal or b) make your years on this mortal coil any more agreeable.

I'm sure life expectancy has improved due to advances in medicine as much as anything, If I'd had my illness 20 years early there would have been no treatment. How many are taking medication daily, how many are having treatment for obesity etc (stomach stapling etc)
It seems odd that we are generally advised, low sugar, low salt, low fat. Yet when it comes to manufactured processed foods it seems to be more about profit

 

[Gong Farmer]

Odd that life expectancy has risen massively then over the last 100 years, precisely as we have eaten more processed foods, to the point that the broad mass of the population eat nothing other than processed foods. If it was that bad for us we'd all be dropping like flies. But we aren't. I therefore conclude that this 'research', like pretty much everything printed in the press on the subject is total b*ll*cks.

I have this theory that the modern obsession with health, and what foods give you cancer and what things are 'super foods' that will make you live forever is intimately linked to the decline of religion in the West. I think that people no longer have any religious belief that there is an afterlife, and are obsessed with trying to avoid death, by eating the right things and exercising etc. The gym is the new church - if you worship there enough, you will live forever............

We are all going to die, obsessing about what foods give you cancer is not going to a) make you immortal or b) make your years on this mortal coil any more agreeable.

Have you read Homo Deus? Apparently immortality is indeed the new religion, or at least the next step in evolution for us.

 

[Yale]

Not really. As far as I can see, we're an animal like any other on Earth, we're born, we die. Anything else is just the way our lizard brains try to come to terms with our mortality. Because we have developed sentience we can contemplate our own mortality, which I don't think other animals can do, we try to create someway that we won't die really, despite the evidence of our own eyes, hence religious belief in an afterlife.

Importantly,we want to know if you worship at the gym?

 

[Will Blackburn]

David Gower would not been seen dead at a gym.

 

[johnb5555]

What is the process that is done to these foods that makes them so or is it the additives that they use.

 

[Goweresque]

David Gower would not been seen dead at a gym.

Indeed Thats what I always liked about Gower, he was the sort of annoying (if you play against them) player that could pick up a bat, not have hit a ball for months, and go out and hit a century without missing a ball. Effortless success, that was always my aim on the cricket field. Sadly unlike David I could only get any success by lots of practise and effort.

But I don't go to the gym. I've come to the conclusion that Man's Biblical allotted span of 70 years is about right, and once you go past that the body (and mind) can't keep up with medical technologies ability to keep the basics going. Its like sticking a brand new engine in a B reg Cortina - a waste of time, the rest of the chassis is rusted through. My Father was in a nursing home for a few months in 2016 (he's cared for at home now), going to that place to visit was the most depressing thing I've ever done. It was like a morgue of living corpses. Its all very well living longer, whats the use if the extra years are spent sitting in your own excreta and hardly knowing if its night or day?

Give me 70 (ok 75) healthy years and massive coronary while I've still got all my marbles and physical functions and I'll take it in an instant.

 

[itsalwaysme]

Indeed Thats what I always liked about Gower, he was the sort of annoying (if you play against them) player that could pick up a bat, not have hit a ball for months, and go out and hit a century without missing a ball. Effortless success, that was always my aim on the cricket field. Sadly unlike David I could only get any success by lots of practise and effort.

But I don't go to the gym. I've come to the conclusion that Man's Biblical allotted span of 70 years is about right, and once you go past that the body (and mind) can't keep up with medical technologies ability to keep the basics going. Its like sticking a brand new engine in a B reg Cortina - a waste of time, the rest of the chassis is rusted through. My Father was in a nursing home for a few months in 2016 (he's cared for at home now), going to that place to visit was the most depressing thing I've ever done. It was like a morgue of living corpses. Its all very well living longer, whats the use if the extra years are spent sitting in your own excreta and hardly knowing if its night or day?

Give me 70 (ok 75) healthy years and massive coronary while I've still got all my marbles and physical functions and I'll take it in an instant.

I'd agree with that, we are experiencing "nursing" homes with mum the "nursing" bit is questionable but I suppose "waiting to die" on the advertising board outside doesn't have the same ring to it.
We don't have much choice in our demise unless we help the process, but healthy eating to give me a couple more years in a care or nursing home, no thanks

 

[Goweresque]

Have you just contradicted yourself? are we an animal like any other, or are we higher thinking sentient beings?

I very much believe & hope in eternity. Much of what I see/experience in human life seems to be bound to decay and destruction, and I don’t believe things were meant to be this way.

Why do we age, when we are born with all the functionality to replace and repair cells? Why do we die? Why can’t we get along? What is conscience?

I’m a Bible believing Christian, it’s the only place I can find satisfactory and logical answers to these, and plenty other musings.

We are animals who have evolved sentience, it doesn't make us not animals. Other animals could evolve it in time. The world is over 4 billion years old, man turned up a few hundred thousand years ago, ie about 2 minutes ago. When we're all dead and gone and the human race has killed itself off, maybe in a few million years the Earth will host an insect civilisation, who knows? Just because we're sentient doesn't make us special or the creation of some deity, it just makes us clever monkeys.

 

[Still Farming]

New regs. Coming out in April with this chemical formed in cooking process maybe ???

 

[Top Tip.]

From what I can understand bread has been around since time immemorial so why is it only now that it has become this carcinogenic poisonous product which will kill us all,this fact makes me question the validity of the rest of this research.

 

[itsalwaysme]

From what I can understand bread has been around since time immemorial so why is it only now that it has become this carcinogenic poisonous product which will kill us all,this fact makes me question the validity of the rest of this research.

I think it's more to do with the processes and what they are adding to it rather than the product itself
We have many more chemicals in the human body these days, some of which the body can't deal with

 

[Goweresque]

From what I can understand bread has been around since time immemorial so why is it only now that it has become this carcinogenic poisonous product which will kill us all,this fact makes me question the validity of the rest of this research.

Not really true - bread dates to the start of organised farming, when grains became available, ie about 12k years prior to now (when the current interglacial period got going in fact). So grains are (in evolutionary terms) quite a recent human diet addition. We humans have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years to eat meat, and leaves, shoots and fruits we can scavenge and not much else. Huge doses of carbohydrate were not in Man's diet for the vast majority of the time he was evolving from apes, and its thus possible that our bodies aren't designed to cope with it.