USA lamb exports
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Woolless
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I saw that article but will the amount they're talking about cover the potential reduction in trade to the continent? The Express love a positive spin on brexit!
We could all do with a positive outlook its happening like it or not.
From what ive seen in FB groups and speaking to the farmers over there the US sheep industry is quite backward compared to other parts of the world, including here, lamb buyers there love "import" lamb from australia and NZ and the American sheep farmers hate it because their lamb is very fatty and variable and the imported stuff sells better because its more consistent and leaner. The ines that have faith in Trump are worried about our lamb coming over and filling the gap were there is no in season australian/nz lamb when their lanb would normally be all that is available and our lamb undercutting them. The ones that dont have any faith in Trump arent worried because he is useless and wont do anything so our lamb isnt going over there.
I have a feeling this lamb exporting might happen (probably not as much as the article states though) because they want to send their beef over here. If that happens good for lamb not so good for beef. Just my take on it we will have to wait and see what happens.
From what ive seen in FB groups and speaking to the farmers over there the US sheep industry is quite backward compared to other parts of the world, including here, lamb buyers there love "import" lamb from australia and NZ and the American sheep farmers hate it because their lamb is very fatty and variable and the imported stuff sells better because its more consistent and leaner. The ines that have faith in Trump are worried about our lamb coming over and filling the gap were there is no in season australian/nz lamb when their lanb would normally be all that is available and our lamb undercutting them. The ones that dont have any faith in Trump arent worried because he is useless and wont do anything so our lamb isnt going over there.
I have a feeling this lamb exporting might happen (probably not as much as the article states though) because they want to send their beef over here. If that happens good for lamb not so good for beef. Just my take on it we will have to wait and see what happens.
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First thought was, Marco needs a proofreader.
But, 'some some' could be accurate!
That is an awful lot of demand from the US, is that like the 109 billion indusrty quoted by the NFU?
The article provides optimism, anyway, no doubt about that
and the logical place to enhance trade with, is the US.Hope they didn't all read the other thread, where they get kicked to death by British farmers
The american sheep farmers were blaming the nz/aussie lamb for bringing their pruces down. I converted what they called a poor price to sterling and it came to £120 for a 40kg lamb. If it costs £40 to send a lamb to america then it still leaves us £80 for it hopefully. Optimistic maybe but another place to send lamb cant be a bad thing.
@Kiwi Pete do you know if america is considered a significant export destinaton for nz lamb? The us farmers seemed to think it was
@Kiwi Pete do you know if america is considered a significant export destinaton for nz lamb? The us farmers seemed to think it was
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I fear it may be like taking a cup of water out of a flooded rowing boat . Let's hope France still want our lamb...
It is like when the Sun reported that things have been great for farmers since BREXIT was announced (a direct misquote from Peter Hardwick who had said that things could have been much much worse). Saying something is less bad is far from saying it is good! It is just the pro BREXIT press desperately looking for a positive message.
. Let's hope France still want our lamb...It is like when the Sun reported that things have been great for farmers since BREXIT was announced (a direct misquote from Peter Hardwick who had said that things could have been much much worse). Saying something is less bad is far from saying it is good! It is just the pro BREXIT press desperately looking for a positive message.
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Just like everything else to do with Brexit, I'll believe it when it happens
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Yes we do send a bit into the US, our beef lamb and mutton goes all over the globe in different specs and cuts.The american sheep farmers were blaming the nz/aussie lamb for bringing their pruces down. I converted what they called a poor price to sterling and it came to £120 for a 40kg lamb. If it costs £40 to send a lamb to america then it still leaves us £80 for it hopefully. Optimistic maybe but another place to send lamb cant be a bad thing.
@Kiwi Pete do you know if america is considered a significant export destinaton for nz lamb? The us farmers seemed to think it was
But the US is a significant trade deal as far as our exports go - because of the different destination options for product, we can deliver a very consistent product for each market.
And grass finishing makes the products largely sought after, as well as the price advantage.
It should cost about £4 to ship s lamb to the statesThe american sheep farmers were blaming the nz/aussie lamb for bringing their pruces down. I converted what they called a poor price to sterling and it came to £120 for a 40kg lamb. If it costs £40 to send a lamb to america then it still leaves us £80 for it hopefully. Optimistic maybe but another place to send lamb cant be a bad thing.
@Kiwi Pete do you know if america is considered a significant export destinaton for nz lamb? The us farmers seemed to think it was
Meant more along the lines of any tariffs or whatever other costs they might slap on lambs to export there but £4 seems more realistic and much better
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I’m sure there will be plenty of new trade opportunities for our produce post brexit as the world is a big place. Personally I don’t think we should be too adamant about competing in a race to the bottom with our southern counterparts, but rather add value to produce on the global market. This shouldn’t be hard given we can produce any style of meat to suit any taste with the added bonus of putting a Union Jack on it. Whilst pressing home the benefits of domestic consumers eating British food, what with all the food scares and pressure to reduce food miles.
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The american sheep farmers were blaming the nz/aussie lamb for bringing their pruces down. I converted what they called a poor price to sterling and it came to £120 for a 40kg lamb. If it costs £40 to send a lamb to america then it still leaves us £80 for it hopefully. Optimistic maybe but another place to send lamb cant be a bad thing.
@Kiwi Pete do you know if america is considered a significant export destinaton for nz lamb? The us farmers seemed to think it was
I think a lot of Australian lamb heads to the states currently, where they want bigger carcasses.
Ive seen pictures of australian lambs.going over to america and they were about 46kg apparetly. Merino x suffolk iirc
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Yep, I'm reasonably sure that's where the lamb I'm drafting off at present is headed, all 48kg+
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Although as an industry, US lamb is somewhat underdeveloped, there are still plenty of forward thinking and progressive individuals.
For examples look up the "Cornell 5 point Star" breeding technique and the "PolyPay* sheep.
For examples look up the "Cornell 5 point Star" breeding technique and the "PolyPay* sheep.
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Maybe I'm biased, but as the regenerative ag model takes off in the US and elsewhere, I can see a lot of growth in their sheep-meat industry.
Sheep are invaluable to a farming operation for grazing alone, sure more fun to open a gate than get the mower out!
So for the large scale cattle ranch, perhaps not practical- but for most other operations sheep's benefits outweigh the costs IMO
It probably seems underdeveloped in comparison to what we know, our countries are and have been for a long time, sheep farming countries.
Markets are out there, so long as you don't put too much focus on any one of them.
Sheep are invaluable to a farming operation for grazing alone, sure more fun to open a gate than get the mower out!
So for the large scale cattle ranch, perhaps not practical- but for most other operations sheep's benefits outweigh the costs IMO
It probably seems underdeveloped in comparison to what we know, our countries are and have been for a long time, sheep farming countries.
Markets are out there, so long as you don't put too much focus on any one of them.
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The US Muslim population is rapidly growing. And sheep meat is massive among Latin Americans. It's just WASPs who have the generational memory of WW2 mutton rations. But even that is fading...
And the ability to finish lamb off grass (so no feedlots and no prophylactic AB use) will make it a hit with the healthy foodie/clean eating trend.
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Healthy eating is the "next big thing" as our world populace ages.
Not wishing to cast more dumb generalisations about, but the US like most wealthy countries have a health problem; no amount of medicine can fix a poor diet.
So, for me at least, the future looks good for supplying the demand for naturally grown beef and lamb. Just weighing some future McDonald's patties at the moment.
