Value of fym delivered and spread

[DanT171]

Hi
First generation farmer here managed to get our first shed up this year so this is first winter with cattle inside shed is 120x40ft and all bedded on straw. Looking to make most of it's value and mentioned it too a local arable farmer who has asked for me to give him a price delivered and spread but I haven' a clue where this price should be. We are in derbyshire were it used to be mainly livestock but probably down to around 50 50 arable/ livestock I had wanted to do a swap for straw but says he won't have enough straw to sell any this time. Any help is appreciated thankyou.

 

[Lazy Eric]

Why do you want to sell it? It’s worth money to yourselves as fertiliser for your own land?!!

 

[Deere342]

Keep it for yourself, the money you get from it will not cover replacing it with fertiliser in bags. It is better spread on your land than his.

 

[HCB]

There are 2 ways to look at it; the first is how much does it equate to in savings of bagged fertiliser, plus the cost of handling & spreading? the second is how much is it worth to you? As Lazy Eric says, it is valuable as a fertiliser for yourself on grazing or silage land (or on arable if you've got it).

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Hi
First generation farmer here managed to get our first shed up this year so this is first winter with cattle inside shed is 120x40ft and all bedded on straw. Looking to make most of it's value and mentioned it too a local arable farmer who has asked for me to give him a price delivered and spread but I haven' a clue where this price should be. We are in derbyshire were it used to be mainly livestock but probably down to around 50 50 arable/ livestock I had wanted to do a swap for straw but says he won't have enough straw to sell any this time. Any help is appreciated thankyou.

Tell him to owe you the straw at harvest

 

[haymaker80]

Tell him to owe you the straw at harvest

This. You deliver and spread the muck and in return you get your bedding straw requirements for the shed for the winter.

 

[Spud]

The way I work the figures for my own pig enterprise is this:

RB209 figures for content of muck (or a representative sample analysis) x cost of replacing nutrient with fert = nutritional value of muck
Does applying muck remove the need to spread p&k on said land? If so, deduct the cost of spreading the fert, cos it wont be required
Cost of carting muck to the field by the hour (variable according to the distance involved, but not hard to work out)
OM improvement I count as equivalent to the cost of spreading (the spreading bill is what the arable side pays for the om)
Cost of straw to the pigs is what its worth in the swath at harvest + baling, carting, storing etc

 

[DanT171]

The way I work the figures for my own pig enterprise is this:

RB209 figures for content of muck (or a representative sample analysis) x cost of replacing nutrient with fert = nutritional value of muck
Does applying muck remove the need to spread p&k on said land? If so, deduct the cost of spreading the fert, cos it wont be required
Cost of carting muck to the field by the hour (variable according to the distance involved, but not hard to work out)
OM improvement I count as equivalent to the cost of spreading (the spreading bill is what the arable side pays for the om)
Cost of straw to the pigs is what its worth in the swath at harvest + baling, carting, storing etc

Thankyou that's helpful I haven' seen an rb209 book for years so I need to get one of those. And go from there. I haven't a lot of land so I'm guessing I will have too much does any know what is the legal amount per acre you can apply of solid fym? Thanks.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Be aware of how to value the N portion of the FYM. It will vary tremendously depending on when it is applied and to which crop etc.

 

[DanT171]

Be aware of how to value the N portion of the FYM. It will vary tremendously depending on when it is applied and to which crop etc.

Thankyou he is cereal based mainly feed barley and oats etc. I've bought a spreader so I can look after my own muck as I don' have much land and the land I do is all grassland but wet lying so was hoping to be able to spread straight onto grassland instead of tipping it up and storing it making more mess re loading it.

 

[Al R]

Thankyou that's helpful I haven' seen an rb209 book for years so I need to get one of those. And go from there. I haven't a lot of land so I'm guessing I will have too much does any know what is the legal amount per acre you can apply of solid fym? Thanks.

You can get RB209 online.

I’m not in an NVZ so the last time I put FYM on it went on at 87,000kg an acre.

In your situation muck for straw could work but costs of both scenarios have to be accounted for..

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

If you are able to spread in spring onto grass you will be maximising the amount of N utilised from the muck. Even then the N utilisation will only be around 10% efficient but that is about as good as it gets with solid FYM.

 

[Chae1]

Sure I read on here before you return 4 times the weight of straw in muck. If you give him 400t of muck get 100t of straw back. You bale it and cart it back.

 

[Spud]

Legally iirc the limit is 35t/ha

 

[Brisel]

RB209 download here; https://ahdb.org.uk/projects/RB209.aspx

NPK values for FYM are usually around £5/t. I can't remember what the current prices are for AN or TSP but MOP (60% K2O) is around £255/t delivered. In this case 1 kg of K2O is £255/600kg per tonne = £0.425/t. AN 34.5% has 345kg/t N and TSP is 46% P2O5. Work on nutirents available to the following crop, not total to arrive at a fertiliser valuet/tonne.

The dose limit depends on the nutrient value but it's 250 kg/ha TOTAL N in an NVZ. I pay a local horse muck contractor £2.50/t for it tipped in the field & I spread it. He brings in big skips & we put one over a weighbridge occasionally. We know the cubic capacity of the skips so counting the number seems fair enough. Horse FYM on shavings is around 400 kg/m3. Cattle FYM won't be much different but it depends on how old it is & how much you heap the trailers. Haulage can make a big difference to the cost so do keep records of how long it takes per load. What sized trailers does he have? Can he leave a field corner to tip on pre harvest - he might have spare labour to help haul.

Muck for straw would be best but I appreciate that he cannot offer enough straw in this case. Be open about it - you've got the potential for a mutually beneficial relationship so it's worth being honest.

 

[DanT171]

RB209 download here; https://ahdb.org.uk/projects/RB209.aspx

NPK values for FYM are usually around £5/t. I can't remember what the current prices are for AN or TSP but MOP (60% K2O) is around £255/t delivered. In this case 1 kg of K2O is £255/600kg per tonne = £0.425/t. AN 34.5% has 345kg/t N and TSP is 46% P2O5. Work on nutirents available to the following crop, not total to arrive at a fertiliser valuet/tonne.

The dose limit depends on the nutrient value but it's 250 kg/ha TOTAL N in an NVZ. I pay a local horse muck contractor £2.50/t for it tipped in the field & I spread it. He brings in big skips & we put one over a weighbridge occasionally. We know the cubic capacity of the skips so counting the number seems fair enough. Horse FYM on shavings is around 400 kg/m3. Cattle FYM won't be much different but it depends on how old it is & how much you heap the trailers. Haulage can make a big difference to the cost so do keep records of how long it takes per load. What sized trailers does he have? Can he leave a field corner to tip on pre harvest - he might have spare labour to help haul.

Muck for straw would be best but I appreciate that he cannot offer enough straw in this case. Be open about it - you've got the potential for a mutually beneficial relationship so it's worth being honest.

Thanks for that very helpful.

 

[DrWazzock]

Just remember there is a lot more in muck than N P and K. All those good minerals you feed to your cattle also end up in the muck and are of considerable value as trace elements in the soil. That's why its worth considerably more than its NPK analysis. It also helps with building organic matter and humus. Not sure how you put a value on "magic".

 

[Brisel]

Just remember there is a lot more in muck than N P and K. All those good minerals you feed to your cattle also end up in the muck and are of considerable value as trace elements in the soil. That's why its worth considerably more than its NPK analysis. It also helps with building organic matter and humus. Not sure how you put a value on "magic".

Not much I'd disagree with there but I'll still walk away from offers of over £5/t delivered & spread unless the nutrient analysis says otherwise.

The strike price is down to what you can negotiate on the day but you're right - you have brown gold as far as an arable farmer is concerned.

 

[Grassman]

You can get RB209 online.

I’m not in an NVZ so the last time I put FYM on it went on at 87,000kg an acre.

In your situation muck for straw could work but costs of both scenarios have to be accounted for..

Legally iirc the limit is 35t/ha[/QUOTE]

Slight difference

 

[Al R]

Does waste silage count as FYM? It was given to the farm I was at, wouldn’t have been more than 10% FYM actually.