variable rate fert prf1

[yellow belly]

looking in detail at the rules
some people on here have said that n needs to be applied using a reflectctance sensor
these cost around 18000

but reading the detail it says

You must apply all nutrients across the land entered into this action using variable rate application (VRA) equipment that’s either:

• pre-programmed with a ‘variable rate file’ using data from zonal soil or crop testing and analysis or remote sensing
• linked to a tractor or sprayer mounted crop reflectance sensor

either or of the above
so you could use crop testing which could be combine yield maps and nitrogen levels in the grain

all my crops have enough n applied (12 tonnes of fym is about 50 to 60 kg of n from the bag )

what are peoples views

 

[WillYorkshire]

I need to be enlightened as to how I can variably apply FYM or poultry manure. It's highly variable at the best of times. Is anyone actually able to do this?

 

[yellow belly]

I need to be enlightened as to how I can variably apply FYM or poultry manure. It's highly variable at the best of times. Is anyone actually able to do this?

the wording is the problem

I believe the idea is that you aply all the artificial by variable rate to not over aply n to a strong lush crop meeting the aims

the mention of fym is regarding the amount of n equivalent

when they review the guid lines more clarity could be given

what gets me is they have consulted on the actions so who did they consult and did they listen to and act on their comments

nothing will now happen till after the election if it is a political point
but technical point can be decided

 

[Badshot]

It's the 'all nutrients ' bit that bothers me.

Does that mean n,p,k,mg,mn,lime, muck?

 

[Salopian_Will]

The manure is stopping us - it is not something that is beneficial to apply variably as it is not a single nutrient, is not consistent and does not release all at once. If you reduce for one element you might be starving another And vice versa.

 

[Farma Parma]

when i first read this a few months back now i thought oh great ive been variably applying MOP/TSP & Bulk Lime or Calcifert depending on the year etc etc
for now 10years & bought into the tech needed back then with no help whatsoever.
hoho this lot wants us to be doing all of that & now poxy nitrogen on top when ive not the slightest interest in doing that.
FFS i bet there isnt 50 farms in the whole of the UK doing Vari Nitrogen to the cost of what there after
I could be wrong of course.

 

[Badshot]

when i first read this a few months back now i thought oh great ive been variably applying MOP/TSP & Bulk Lime or Calcifert depending on the year etc etc
for now 10years & bought into the tech needed back then with no help whatsoever.
hoho this lot wants us to be doing all of that & now poxy nitrogen on top when ive not the slightest interest in doing that.
FFS i bet there isnt 50 farms in the whole of the UK doing Vari Nitrogen to the cost of what there after
I could be wrong of course.

I've been doing vari n, for many years.
I also do vari pgr, it's incredible just how much it evens a crop up.

I didn't do it last year as I'd left long stubbles, the satellite imagery was not consistent with what was in the field due to the stubbles hiding crop growth.
The crops were very variable last year.
Back doing it this year, and nice and even again.

 

[B'o'B]

It's the 'all nutrients ' bit that bothers me.

Does that mean n,p,k,mg,mn,lime, muck?

It is so poorly worded they should have there wrist slapped for not consulting a practicing FACTS qualified advisor like they are always telling us to do!

 

[Hindsight]

It is so poorly worded they should have there wrist slapped for not consulting a practicing FACTS qualified advisor like they are always telling us to do!

I was going to seek clarification from Defra Janet Hughes but have concluded that Defra possibly / probably have not a clue what they mean either but are tota bamboozled by what they read in CPM magazine and listening to IT folk on webinars.

 

[WillYorkshire]

I was going to seek clarification from Defra Janet Hughes but have concluded that Defra possibly / probably have not a clue what they mean either but are tota bamboozled by what they read in CPM magazine and listening to IT folk on webinars.

Phoned them a week or so ago with Q on this and on strip till. Promised reply by phone or email. Nothing yet...

 

[yellow belly]

It is so poorly worded they should have there wrist slapped for not consulting a practicing FACTS qualified advisor like they are always telling us to do!

What is needed is a carefully worded email question to the Rpa to clear up the individual points on what nutrients and how to meet the aims of the action

it needs to come from someone who understands what is possible and what benefits the environment as well as making a profit from the investment

there are a lot of highly complex issues in growing a crop and maximising the profit from each spare meter of a field
Some fields have very diverse soils and some fields have very uniform soils the weather variation and altitude can also add complexity

 

[Regenerator1]

looking in detail at the rules
some people on here have said that n needs to be applied using a reflectctance sensor
these cost around 18000

but reading the detail it says

You must apply all nutrients across the land entered into this action using variable rate application (VRA) equipment that’s either:

• pre-programmed with a ‘variable rate file’ using data from zonal soil or crop testing and analysis or remote sensing
• linked to a tractor or sprayer mounted crop reflectance sensor

either or of the above
so you could use crop testing which could be combine yield maps and nitrogen levels in the grain

all my crops have enough n applied (12 tonnes of fym is about 50 to 60 kg of n from the bag )

what are peoples views

How bored are you ? Get a job

 

[Regenerator1]

I was going to seek clarification from Defra Janet Hughes but have concluded that Defra possibly / probably have not a clue what they mean either but are tota bamboozled by what they read in CPM magazine and listening to IT folk on webinars.

 

[yellow belly]

just looked again at the vari rate fert and they have updated and refined the guidance which make it more usable

only major nutrients n p k and mg


can use soil nutrient maps
and for n remote imagery or tractor mounted

it does not give any guidance on spring crops nitrogen on the seed bed
but does not say you cannot do it

 

[WillYorkshire]

just looked again at the vari rate fert and they have updated and refined the guidance which make it more usable

only major nutrients n p k and mg


can use soil nutrient maps
and for n remote imagery or tractor mounted

it does not give any guidance on spring crops nitrogen on the seed bed
but does not say you cannot do it

FYM still included?

 

[Regenerator1]

FYM still included?

No... That is the faeces of the devil!! You must only apply bagged products from either A or B for Bunce or C for Cargill or D for... fill in the missing gaps

 

[Regenerator1]

I wonder if i control my production under a polytunnel..?whether this nonsense will apply? That to be fair is the only variable rate system to feed people where pollution / weather can be 100% controlled.. just like inside a food factory? It is all such utter utter nonsense... does anyone have weather insurance post BPS by the way???

 

[yellow belly]

FYM still included?

Doesn’t look like it
If the fym is aplied in the autumn the artificial n aplied variably in the spring could even up the crop and reduce over fertilising
This is the aim of the action

 

[WillYorkshire]

Doesn’t look like it
If the fym is aplied in the autumn the artificial n aplied variably in the spring could even up the crop and reduce over fertilising
This is the aim of the action

It does include FYM. PRF1 says so and I had it confirmed in return phone call from rpa.