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[Red Fred]

I saw this and just couldn't stop myself:

Mark Vincent:
All the cows round here drink from the stream and river, pee most of it out again and the vast majority of it continues on its way to the sea where in 2 hours it becomes salt water. They have no impact at all on the water table. They do however play a vital role in maintaining the unique flora and fauna of the river valley which has evolved its hay meadows and grazing fields over 2000 years of pastoral management.



Adan Hawks
Mark Vincent so it sounds like you have a goddamn bovine nirvana there. That's so far removed from the vast majority of the dairy industry I dare say you are exaggerating.
Sure, have the cows in your postcard-worthy pasture. But if it's so awesome for the cows, let them live in peace! Keep your flora and fauna and meadows, and all that jazz. But let them live through the full circle of life instead of being killed before their time, being artificially inseminated, and having their calves killed off or taken away.

 

[Rossymons]

Because stopping beef and dairy production means cows drink no water all of a sudden

 

[Kevtherev]

Because stopping beef and dairy production means cows drink no water all of a sudden

Am I right in saying poultry units use as much as dairy?
Plus do these vegans not think their vegetables are irrigated???

 

[Ffermer Bach]

But will you be happy & contented!

My wife has an eating disorder and she's not hiding behind it, but mainly certain plants some friuts and dairy , if she has any dairy she would be ill the next day , she would love to eat dairy, its not something she's made up either, she's seen no end of hospital specialist until a top man at the Spire sorted her and put her on a special diet

that is not an eating disorder, that is issues with intolerances of food types, different thing to a Vegan eating disorder.

 

[steveR]

Narrow customer base.

Saw one in Exeter last week, was empty.

KFC just up the road was busy

Same all over I suspect. Local one I knew of closed quickly and revamped as "wholefood", which seemed a more balanced menu....

 

[DaveGrohl]

I saw this and just couldn't stop myself:


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Mark Vincent:
All the cows round here drink from the stream and river, pee most of it out again and the vast majority of it continues on its way to the sea where in 2 hours it becomes salt water. They have no impact at all on the water table. They do however play a vital role in maintaining the unique flora and fauna of the river valley which has evolved its hay meadows and grazing fields over 2000 years of pastoral management.



Adan Hawks
Mark Vincent so it sounds like you have a goddamn bovine nirvana there. That's so far removed from the vast majority of the dairy industry I dare say you are exaggerating.
Sure, have the cows in your postcard-worthy pasture. But if it's so awesome for the cows, let them live in peace! Keep your flora and fauna and meadows, and all that jazz. But let them live through the full circle of life instead of being killed before their time, being artificially inseminated, and having their calves killed off or taken away.

The key thing is the meaning of the word "use". A cow drinking a gallon of water and then peeing it straight back out again isn’t really "using" water at all. In fact she’s adding nitrogen to it and fertilising the grass in the process, thereby providing her own meals in the future. And how exactly does a cow "use" water that’s landing on a field whether she’s there or not?

Vegan propaganda relies on twisting the meaning of all sorts of words to the extent that all meaning and logic is lost.

How many gallons of water does the pointless individual in your post "use" that could be used more productively than keeping them alive and in consumer goods?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

that is not an eating disorder, that is issues with intolerances of food types, different thing to a Vegan eating disorder.

OK

 

[BrianV]

that is not an eating disorder, that is issues with intolerances of food types, different thing to a Vegan eating disorder.

Surely the question we should all be asking is why these intolerances didn't seem to exist in the past & what has changed since then, I can't see how it could be the dairy products so what could be the cause?

 

[sidjon]

I saw this and just couldn't stop myself:


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Mark Vincent:
All the cows round here drink from the stream and river, pee most of it out again and the vast majority of it continues on its way to the sea where in 2 hours it becomes salt water. They have no impact at all on the water table. They do however play a vital role in maintaining the unique flora and fauna of the river valley which has evolved its hay meadows and grazing fields over 2000 years of pastoral management.



Adan Hawks
Mark Vincent so it sounds like you have a goddamn bovine nirvana there. That's so far removed from the vast majority of the dairy industry I dare say you are exaggerating.
Sure, have the cows in your postcard-worthy pasture. But if it's so awesome for the cows, let them live in peace! Keep your flora and fauna and meadows, and all that jazz. But let them live through the full circle of life instead of being killed before their time, being artificially inseminated, and having their calves killed off or taken away.

Off the top if my head, that cow needs to live until she is 31 year old to drink that much water or am I missing something

 

[MRT]

Surly the question we should all be asking is why these intolerances didn't seem to exist in the past & what has changed since then, I can't see how it could be the dairy products so what could be the cause?

Brexit. Brexit or Lleyns.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

Surly the question we should all be asking is why these intolerances didn't seem to exist in the past & what has changed since then, I can't see how it could be the dairy products so what could be the cause?

changes to the gut micro biome, this could be due to taking antibiotics, maybe roundup residues on food or sugar content all of those affect the microbiome, which in turn effects our health and digestive system. Science is only now starting to understand the system.

 

[Tim G]

It's a miracle there is any water left in the world what with all the cows steeling it.

 

[Raider112]

I saw this and just couldn't stop myself:


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Mark Vincent:
All the cows round here drink from the stream and river, pee most of it out again and the vast majority of it continues on its way to the sea where in 2 hours it becomes salt water. They have no impact at all on the water table. They do however play a vital role in maintaining the unique flora and fauna of the river valley which has evolved its hay meadows and grazing fields over 2000 years of pastoral management.



Adan Hawks
Mark Vincent so it sounds like you have a goddamn bovine nirvana there. That's so far removed from the vast majority of the dairy industry I dare say you are exaggerating.
Sure, have the cows in your postcard-worthy pasture. But if it's so awesome for the cows, let them live in peace! Keep your flora and fauna and meadows, and all that jazz. But let them live through the full circle of life instead of being killed before their time, being artificially inseminated, and having their calves killed off or taken away.

They count the rainfall that lands on the fields. That rain will fall whether cows are there or not.

 

[sidjon]

They count the rainfall that lands on the fields. That rain will fall whether cows are there or not.

We grow oats at 2 to 2.5 ton/acre and on the same farm produce and about 8500 litres of milk or 8 ton/acre with the same rainfall(1600mm/year) looks like the oats are poor convertor of water

 

[Lowland1]

We grow oats at 2 to 2.5 ton/acre and on the same farm produce and about 8500 litres of milk or 8 ton/acre with the same rainfall(1600mm/year) looks like the oats are poor convertor of water

Your cows don’t drink any water ? Plus you are just talking grain yield not total biomass production.

 

[Courier]

Today i popped into Costa for my caffeine fix and some food later afternoon after extornate prices at the Cheshire show (£9 for a hotdog!!!!).
I mistakenly picked up a vegan ham and cheese sandwich... They heated it up. It had zero taste. God knows what it was made of??? Will happily eat veggie when out on a good restraunt as they are normally full of flavour...

“Yottam Ottolenghi”
Many of this chef’s recipes are vegan compatible - No one can describe them as “bland”.

 

[Courier]

Your cows don’t drink any water ? Plus you are just talking grain yield not total biomass production.

Talk about fudge statistics - the oats don’t get the chance of a water main as well as rainfall.!

 

[A1an]

I wonder if the vegan movement realise the number of deer/hares/rabbits/pigeons that are killed to allow their food to grow.

 

[DaveGrohl]

I wonder if the vegan movement realise the number of deer/hares/rabbits/pigeons that are killed to allow their food to grow.

Much worse than that worldwide, but no, it doesn’t occur to most of them. Seeking out knowledge isn’t one of their priorities. That’s their right I suppose.

 

[Sid]

changes to the gut micro biome, this could be due to taking antibiotics, maybe roundup residues on food or sugar content all of those affect the microbiome, which in turn effects our health and digestive system. Science is only now starting to understand the system.

Precisely this, the constant push to become more efficient and cheaper has led to some food becoming a carrier for packets and jars of flavours. No enhancers but actual overpowering flavours.

We were out and about yesterday, missed breakfast so grabbed a Warren's sausage roll.
It was the most disgusting thing I have ever eaten in my life. The "sausage" was the most disgusting slimey, inedible slump of mush I have every had the misfortune to partially consume.
It was thrown away after one bite.
The Vegan option may have been a better option!