Vegan come backs

[PSQ]

I might be in the minority here, but...

Just because a vegan is behaving like a dick, it’s no excuse to behave like a dick yourself.
By all means point out to them that their (probable) organic lifestyle can’t exist without either animals recycling fertility on organic farms, or the organic farms importing NON VEGAN muck from elsewhere. I just happen to know a couple of organic farmers who use vastly more (non organic) hen pen than they’re strictly allowed
But I’d show the protestors common courtesy, as long as it was shown in return. There is a caveat: if someone gets physical, I was always taught to hit them back twice as hard, they soon get the message.

 

[JMTHORNLEY]

I might be in the minority here, but...

Just because a vegan is behaving like a dick, it’s no excuse to behave like a dick yourself.
By all means point out to them that their (probable) organic lifestyle can’t exist without either animals recycling fertility on organic farms, or the organic farms importing NON VEGAN muck from elsewhere. I just happen to know a couple of organic farmers who use vastly more (non organic) hen pen than they’re strictly allowed
But I’d show the protestors common courtesy, as long as it was shown in return. There is a caveat: if someone gets physical, I was always taught to hit them back twice as hard, they soon get the message.

With you all the way on this one. I will regularly engage with these people as I firmly believe this fad has come out of a sense of over privileged self entitlement, don't see many vegan Africans do you?

The thing I struggle with most is you can highlight as you have the issue of fertility management and soil health, educate them on animal welfare whilst on farm and physically show them the care we give are stock but they just will not see past raising them for food... It's so frustrating, in one sense I admire their persistence and grit but on the other hand they are completely out of order and need to learn how to conduct their 'protests' in a more controlled manor.
Bring up the issues of stock control if we decided the world were to go vegan and then watch their little heads melt.. What do we do with animals and how much do we get involved, even better question their thoughts on non stun killing, for me that is a far more pressing issue that their time would be better spent resolving. Ask them will you be out walking the moors of the earth checking calving cows and lambing ewes for difficult births and prolapses, checking for mastitis or treating pneumonia and all of a sudden their arse drops out. They just have not thought past 'we don't want you to eat animals'

I could go on all day about these type of people but yes I agree, polite up until a point..

 

[Muck Spreader]

I might be in the minority here, but...

Just because a vegan is behaving like a dick, it’s no excuse to behave like a dick yourself.
By all means point out to them that their (probable) organic lifestyle can’t exist without either animals recycling fertility on organic farms, or the organic farms importing NON VEGAN muck from elsewhere. I just happen to know a couple of organic farmers who use vastly more (non organic) hen pen than they’re strictly allowed
But I’d show the protestors common courtesy, as long as it was shown in return. There is a caveat: if someone gets physical, I was always taught to hit them back twice as hard, they soon get the message.

I don't understand this. What has veganism got to do with organic farming.

 

[Lazy Sod]

I imagine that vegans want their vegetables to be grown organically. The trouble is that they don't understand that the fertility has to come from somewhere. If not the bag, the bum.

They also don't seem to realise that there are a huge number of wildlife species that require a grazed habitat that can only be realistically provided by grazing farm animals.

Of course we all know, don't we, that all the land used for grazing farm stock is eminently suitable for growing vegetables, even the mountain sides!

 

[Muck Spreader]

I imagine that vegans want their vegetables to be grown organically. The trouble is that they don't understand that the fertility has to come from somewhere. If not the bag, the bum.

They also don't seem to realise that there are a huge number of wildlife species that require a grazed habitat that can only be realistically provided by grazing farm animals.

Of course we all know, don't we, that all the land used for grazing farm stock is eminently suitable for growing vegetables, even the mountain sides!

I would assume that most vegans would look for produce that is only produced using non organic means, otherwise it makes even more of a nonsense of their pious dogma.

 

[will l]

 

[SLA]

Surely vegans are just vegetarians with OCD?

 

[PSQ]

The thing I struggle with most is you can highlight as you have the issue of fertility management and soil health, educate them on animal welfare whilst on farm and physically show them the care we give are stock but they just will not see past raising them for food... It's so frustrating, in one sense I admire their persistence and grit but on the other hand they are completely out of order and need to learn how to conduct their 'protests' in a more controlled manor.

My issue with vegans is that their lifestyle choice is completely unsustainable, in so much as their existence is *parasitic* on the fertility of organic farms. To mix the terms 'vegan' and 'organic' together is an oxymoron of the highest order. Both are exclusive concepts, anyone who thinks they could ever be sustainable together needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.

Not all vegans are organic consumers, but it is a common trait amongst many of the modern urban tribes who jump on every fad going, "following the herd", so to speak...

Another urban misconception, that "all subsidy grabbing farmers are rich" prevents them from understanding that extensive grass fed livestock are the foundation of upland rural life and ecosystems across much of the UK, supporting thousands of working class farmers; the irony of the middle class champagne socialists slagging off the working class, again and again.

If George Monbiot writes in the Guradian that flooding is caused by sheep on the hills, then thats what the urban tribe will believe. In fact Georges latest rant was about the Saddleworth fire being caused by murderous grouse moor owners, not the apparent fact reported by a neighbour on here who questioned the logic of fencing off a 're-wilding' area, only for it to go rank with 3 foot high tinder dry bracken and gorse...
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-grouse-shooting-saddleworth-fire-sport-land

As for the health benefits of both organics and veganism, apparently piety is no guarantee:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/13/prostate-cancer-happy-diagnosis-operation
I say this in all seriousness, get well soon George.

 

[JP1]

Stone Horse Farm
August 6 at 8:30 PM ·


Hot day, no time: time to blow some steam!

Hearing people comment that they don't want to see the animals, or photos of the animals, that their food comes from, happens frequently on both Facebook and at my two weekly farmers' markets.

I, of course, smile and say I appreciate that.

But at heart? It burns a hole in my gut. But not for the reason you may be thinking.

Remember when the movie "Avatar" came out? The thing that struck me in that movie was how the blue people on the planet would greet each other by saying, "I see you."

When they hunt, Earth's indigenous peoples pay a momentary tribute to their prey in one form or another. They recognize the life they have taken, and thank it for the life it is giving to them and their families. This is not a Saran-wrapped product for them, but one that comes with an element of grief and guilt. They make sure they "see" their involvement and accept the role of doing it properly.

While my social media posts may look like I'm just having fun after a hard day, the real reason I post all these endearing photos is I want people to know the meat on their plate did not just appear there. It lived as good a life as I can provide for it, following the instincts it was born with, and eating the food it evolved to thrive on.

While I am selectively determining when its life cycle will end, instead of letting nature cull it in a usually painful way, it will be done humanely and quickly. One brief, bad moment in an otherwise very good life.

As soon as we choose to acknowledge this life, and "see" the creatures that give us a healthy diet, we are part of making our food chain work better.

It is easy to turn away and avoid the connection we have to our dietary sources. But by buying an anonymous cut of meat at the supermarket, devoid of anything but a silhouette of an animal on a bright, happy background, we have chosen to make ourselves blind to the life that animal lived and how it was treated.

On a side note: I am the first one to say that confinement farming is not all bad. Farmers do not make much money to start with, but if their livestock is miserable, they will make even less. Confinement is not a natural life cycle for the animals, but it removes an enormous amount of risk to the farmer and the animals. However, I feel it is also unsustainable.

Back to the topic.

You don't have to come and bond with the farm's chickens and pigs. You don't have to get your hands dirty caring for them and sustaining their life cycles. You don't even have to buy my meat products!

But for the sake of our future and our children and grandchildrens' futures, please be aware of how your food products were produced and raised. Care about it. Make an effort to see where they come from and how they lived.

Understand that vegetarian crops do not grow without either a synthetic, unsustainable chemical component, or a natural, manure-based component, and that that much manure cannot be produced without massive amounts of livestock to generate it.

Make a point to "see" your food chain and the plants and animals in it, as well as the backs of the farmers and generally poorly-paid migrant farm workers that brought it to you. And then acknowledge them, and give thanks for it.

Rant done.


Emma Lee Oh me too. I keep saying that farmers take everyone's guilt for them. We see the life and choose the ones who will be killed. Not easy but necessary. It's such a shame how detached society has become xx
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Gillian M. McIver I love this.
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[Farmer Roy]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=247891335932444

 

[Muck Spreader]

I was watching a youtube with some vegan ranting against organic farming because it still exploited animals for fertiliser. The only way forward in her eyes was the unrestricted use of GM, chemical fert and pesticides etc. She showed no understanding of a sustainable food cycle, soil fertility, water pollution and use. Just ignorant theories put forward by a self appointed city based expert, but a big following.

 

[Scholsey]

 

[Yosemite Sam]

Just booked another pig into abbatoir.
Have been warned vegans may be at the gate to try to educate me in the error of my ways.
Rather than just mowing the beggers down, was looking for some humerous and non confrontational comebacks if I am challenged in a reasonable manner.
Cheers

Take your lawn clippings in a bag and say “here I’ve brought your lunch”

 

[Timmy_45]

I don't think there is an effective come back when you are dealing with something which is about as logical as a religious cult. Luckily we live in a society with A.D.D and so pretty soon this fad will fade and the bandwagon will go on. They'll be a core of oddballs left behind. But I think the best thing to do is ignore them.

The muppets protesting are of course the same people who are members of PETA and the other animal rights groups, it's just they've rebranded themselves to piggy back on an eating fad.

The one thing that does annoy me, is the BBCs constant free advertising of Vegan products and events, esp Radio 4. I don't see why all license payers should subsidise free advertising for a tiny minority.

 

[PaulNix]

We don't need a Vegan come back, we got bacon sammiches.

 

[Timmy_45]

We don't need a Vegan come back, we got bacon sammiches.

Not so fast...... https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-...gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CO340uzz8dwCFZQj0wodAJsOaQ

"Vegetarian bacon style rashers made from rehydrated textured soya protein"

Mmmmm yum yum, and so natural. Because being vegans they avoid "processed" foods.

 

[topground]

During the later stages of WW2 when as much of this island as could be was ploughed to produce grain, livestock numbers were reduced and many rare breeds were pushed closer to extinction. As livestock numbers reduced so did soil fertility and yields dropped making it wven more difficult for this island to feed its inhabitants.
It is no coincidence that veganism was coined in 1944 just when the evidence of practical application of reduced livestock numbers came to light.
I have used this lesson from history to good effect when engaging with ernest vegan types, uaually young women. And for good measure I ask what suplements they have to use and if they would be likely to be able to have children without those unnatural supplements.
What is particularly worrying is that the ones . have talked to recently were all on some type of 'environmental ' degree course and will be fed this doctrine by their lecturers.

 

[C.J]

Not so fast...... https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/277511518?sc_cmp=ppc*GHS+-+Grocery+-+New*PX+|+Shopping+GSC+|+All+Products*Frozen+Food*PRODUCT+GROUP277511518*&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIz5i75PPx3AIVrZPtCh3cSgyVEAQYAyABEgJLFvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CO340uzz8dwCFZQj0wodAJsOaQ

"Vegetarian bacon style rashers made from rehydrated textured soya protein"

Mmmmm yum yum, and so natural. Because being vegans they avoid "processed" foods.

I wonder if it has the smoked flavour of burning Rainforest

 

[Farmer Roy]

 

[JJT]