Vegans view of the World post livestock.

[David.]

If any non-foul mouthed and non-abusive vegans happen to be reading on TFF, I would be genuinely interested to know what is their view of the Utopian World, that would result from the global cessation of keeping animals for meat, milk, wool, other byproducts for clothing etc.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Hopefully the vegans will be extinct first

 

[PSQ]

Apparently you can pick and choose from the Vegan menu: Lewis Hamilton is a 'Brand Ambassador' for IWC's range of leather strapped watches.

He really is the 'fastest person on the planet', especially when it comes to selling out his supposed new found vegan 'principles'...

 

[Bruce Almighty]

I've had debates with a few of them
Get rid of the animals you lose the flies
Lose the flies & you lose the birds
Before you know it you've lost the balance of nature
They can't answer that

 

[Jackov Altraids]

A perfectly good question but I don't expect any genuine response.

I do believe it is like having the conversation "Wouldn't it be brilliant if everything was made of chocolate!?!" as a child. After a few minutes fantasising about being able to eat everything, the reality of the idea kicks in and you move on. Vegan fantasists need a good dose of realism.

Vegans should be a farmers best friend as they are the ones that care most about what they eat. It's all those that don't care that are the problem.
The trouble is the militant vegan who has no real understanding of agriculture and choose to peddle lies and myths to influence others. They are as guilty as the huge industrial farmers of thinking that they are capable of circumventing, re-structuring and bettering nature.
The best farming is about helping, nurturing and protecting out natural systems so that we can all thrive.

 

[Johngee]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=561998134558894

 

[Johngee]

Just saw this on facebook and it shows that many so called vegans aren't adhering to the rules!

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Continuing the 'vegan' thoughts ..... our local pubs all give a 'v' option .
What happens in a vegan place .... do we get a meat option ? .....just wondering

 

[Muddyroads]

Vegans should be a farmers best friend as they are the ones that care most about what they eat.

I’m not sure how you work this out? Vegetarianism is fine, but the planets ecosystems would still fall apart if we all went vegetarian. Vegans are by definition reliant on artificial fertilisers and pest control. They willingly eat soya products amongst other foods which are grown on massive monocultured plains, which if done in this country would have them up in arms. They are blind to how food is really produced, and I would describe most as being nimby’s. If they can’t see the production methods of their foods, they assume they must be good for the planet if they’re “plant based”.
Farmers best friends are those who choose to eat food primarily grown as close to their homes as possible.

 

[MRT]

There is a responsbility disconnect. BBC ran a feature yesterday on air quality in India where city folk were living in terrible conditions. The blame was laid by millions squarely at the door of the few poor farmers burning stubbles. Fair enough, but what is the alternative, chemicals? Mass starvation? Really speaking the few country folk are disposing of the many city folks food waste for them. Vegans must be made to understand and shoulder the responsibility for the changes in farming practise they demand and the unintended consequences.

 

[David.]

The question was prompted by a foul mouthed individual who started a few threads, purportedly as a vegan, that soon got deleted.

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I’m not sure how you work this out? Vegetarianism is fine, but the planets ecosystems would still fall apart if we all went vegetarian. Vegans are by definition reliant on artificial fertilisers and pest control. They willingly eat soya products amongst other foods which are grown on massive monocultured plains, which if done in this country would have them up in arms. They are blind to how food is really produced, and I would describe most as being nimby’s. If they can’t see the production methods of their foods, they assume they must be good for the planet if they’re “plant based”.
Farmers best friends are those who choose to eat food primarily grown as close to their homes as possible.

You are quite right.

But.... being a vegan takes a huge amount of consideration and commitment. If / when they have a better understanding of food production and the way it fits with being sustainable, they will hopefully show the humility to change their minds.
This is why I said they 'should' be a farmers best friend as at least they are engaged with how and where there food comes from and are prepared to work harder and pay more for it.

This obviously doesn't apply to the extreme and militant idiots who wish for it to be criminal to take the life of any animal.

 

[Bossfarmer]

its the killing of animals that vegans are really against, the environmental aspect is just used to persuade non vegans to join their cause

 

[som farmer]

just ask, what are your clothes made of, synthetic, wool or cotton.
Are your shoes made of synthetic, leather or wood.
Where do you go on holiday.
What car do you drive, fossil fuel, or electric.
What milk do you use, cow/ goat, or almond or soy based, if not animal milk, how do you justify the deforestation to grow soya, or the desertification California, where almond growers are using more than the available water.
Then go to the subject of palm oil, thus killing off the orangutangs.
And see what they have to say !

 

[primmiemoo]

Probably alluded to this before, but truly devout vegans are professed religious who sweep the path before them, lest they tread upon an ant.
Plenty of respect for them, and for their ancient religion. Lay followers of their religion are lacto-vegetarians. Being unprofessed, they may use ghee in cooking, drink milk, and eat cheese.

Modern, commercialised, twisted versions of lifestyles that purport to be vegan are dangerous to the individual, and to the environment. Famine smiles upon them.

 

[Bruce Almighty]

its the killing of animals that vegans are really against, the environmental aspect is just used to persuade non vegans to join their cause

What they don't get is that everything has to die at some stage, including people.
Like animal rights nutters, they think that animals are like people but they're not.

Here's a classic example - people that give their dog a harness instead of a collar.
You put a lead and collar on a dog to control it, you put a harness on a horse to encourage it to drag something.
Put a harness on a dog & it will try to drag you if it wants to.

 

[Veganguy]

So much ignorance in one place. I suppose I shouldn't expect much more on the slave owner forum.

 

[Veganguy]

Hopefully the vegans will be extinct first

Hopefully people like you go extinct first.

 

[Veganguy]

I've had debates with a few of them
Get rid of the animals you lose the flies
Lose the flies & you lose the birds
Before you know it you've lost the balance of nature
They can't answer that

Ahh yessss because there would be no animals at all if you didn't force breed them in the meat industry.

Good one moron.

 

[Veganguy]

Continuing the 'vegan' thoughts ..... our local pubs all give a 'v' option .
What happens in a vegan place .... do we get a meat option ? .....just wondering

Like some Chinese people coming here not getting the option of eating a dog or cat yet when people go there they get the option of eating pigs, cows, chicken sheep etc