Welsh beaver...

[Danllan]

A birthday present from Mrs Danllan was to go and see Welsh beaver.

They were here before and so, of course, they fit back in perfectly. I'm happy to have them back here in Wales, back here in Carmarthenshire and, I hope, eventually back here on my place.

Before anyone starts to condemn their reintroduction, they should first go and see them, see what they have done and what harm they have not done. I can't see any objective analysis finding harm in their return.

 

[Danllan]

 

[Kidds]

I saw one once, a very memorable experience.

 

[Agrispeed]

Cornish beavers are better...

 

[Kidds]

When driving home late last Friday both myself and my missus saw a ginger badger, no surprise there as they are quite common around here.
What did startle me a little was when my missus went on to tell me she had also once seen a ginger beaver.

 

[Danllan]

I saw one once, a very memorable experience.

See below...

Cornish beavers are better...

Why won't the pic's upload...?

I sense an entirely expected and rather childish immaturity in these responses, nevertheless...

These are very wonderful things; what the photo' doesn't convey is the remarkable thickness of the fur and the beautiful way it glistens when wet, and something it can't convey is the delicate and unusual smell. I think it is a great pity that more people can't experience beaver on a relaxing Summer evening in a quiet and secluded spot, hopefully this will change.

 

[PB1507]

Sniggering at the key board

 

[7610 super q]

@roscoe erf

 

[spin cycle]

@roscoe erf

no don't....please gentlemen some decorum.....for all of us with purile minds i'd like to apologise to @Danllan

 

[roscoe erf]

@roscoe erf

all I can say is its not as good as English beaver bit like the straw

 

[roscoe erf]

no don't....please gentlemen some decorum.....for all of us with purile minds i'd like to apologise to @Danllan

I think you doth protest too much

 

[roscoe erf]

as an aside I don't get this insane impulse to introduce sh!t that long died out regardless of the beauty or cuteness where will it all end I ask

 

[Exfarmer]

UK rivers have been forged and engineered for at least 2,000 years to be come what we have today. Forged by dredging and channelling, to give the depth and breadth of flow to handle high volumes of water, winter and summer storms can bring.
Engineered to maintain a depth of water for navigation and power water mills, which was very important till recently. Weirs and locks were crafted at huge cost in money and labour to ensure the water was maintained at critical levels. This has had huge benefits for both man and wildlife, but the cost was high and only maintained by local rates and an obligation for impounders ( millers in the main ) to maintain them. This managed by local committees to ensure the neccessary work was done.
The control of wildlife interfering with these works has been critical, whether it was beavers impeding. Critical winter flows or badgers and rabbits undermining banks providing security to communities the required action would be taken.
While all wildlife certainly has a place in remote locations where such actions will have no harm on the local populace, when they are allowed free rein or even actively encouraged in other areas the results can be devastating as we have just seen at Wainfleet.
I live on the banks of a river with a wooded area opposite, ideal beaver country, where a dam could easily see 20,30 houses flooded and they are still trying to build more here in the flood plain..
I am safe being 2 metres above but the planners everywhere have allowed houses to be built with no account of wildlife intervention , and EA negligence, please keep your beavers to your self!

 

[Danllan]

as an aside I don't get this insane impulse to introduce sh!t that long died out regardless of the beauty or cuteness where will it all end I ask

They didn't 'die out', they were wiped out. I infer nothing from your disinterest in increased general access to beaver and ask, changing the subject entirely, if you'll admit to being a fan of the Wizard of Oz?

UK rivers have been forged and engineered for at least 2,000 years...

As I force my way through the seething masses of water-powered mill-owners and river navigators / transporters dependent on the engineered rivers you applaud and who the rest of us find so hard to identify, I am minded to agree with you that planning permission has been granted for some ridiculous sites and that beaver should be brought back to the more remote areas at first.

 

[roscoe erf]

They didn't 'die out', they were wiped out. I infer nothing from your disinterest in increased general access to beaver and ask, changing the subject entirely, if you'll admit to being a fan of the Wizard of Oz?



As I force my way through the seething masses of water-powered mill-owners and river navigators / transporters dependent on the engineered rivers you applaud and who the rest of us find so hard to identify, I am minded to agree with you that planning permission has been granted for some ridiculous sites and that beaver should be brought back to the more remote areas at first.

the result was the same

 

[Danllan]

the result was the same

The result is the same whether someone loses a hand via a machete attack or in a crash, the moral culpability is not and nor are what happens subsequently in terms of punishment or recompense.

Your absence of comment in re' preference for the red-slippered movie and (purely ) coincidental dislike of beaver is duly noted...

 

[Tarw Coch]

Fecked if I know what this topic is about, is it an immature subject for the intellectual cos I ain’t got a clue what you lot are on about.

 

[Exfarmer]

They didn't 'die out', they were wiped out. I infer nothing from your disinterest in increased general access to beaver and ask, changing the subject entirely, if you'll admit to being a fan of the Wizard of Oz?



As I force my way through the seething masses of water-powered mill-owners and river navigators / transporters dependent on the engineered rivers you applaud and who the rest of us find so hard to identify, I am minded to agree with you that planning permission has been granted for some ridiculous sites and that beaver should be brought back to the more remote areas at first.

I do not dispute the river usage has changed dramatically over the centuries, but it still leaves a few facts.
Drainage is critical for the human population both habitation and food production.
The retention of water levels during dry seasons, is also critical for nature, but also to a certain extent the requirement for water both potable , irrigation and industrial.
Beaver dams which are in fact built for protection and survival from predators, not that they have one in the UK, will result not only in flooding of both housing and farmland, but can cause massive problems when they fail. One dam washed away up stream can then result in the inundation of more dams downstream. Debris can block bridges causing in extreme circumstances failure of structures as witnessed last year.
Who is going to control the beaver? Or should we bring in wolves and bears to do the job, since I cannot see once established , licences beingissued to do the job

 

[Danllan]

Fecked if I know what this topic is about, is it an immature subject for the intellectual cos I ain’t got a clue what you lot are on about.

Beaver for the masses.

I do not dispute the river usage has changed dramatically over the centuries, but it still leaves a few facts.
Drainage is critical for the human population both habitation and food production.
The retention of water levels during dry seasons, is also critical for nature, but also to a certain extent the requirement for water both potable , irrigation and industrial.
Beaver dams which are in fact built for protection and survival from predators, not that they have one in the UK, will result not only in flooding of both housing and farmland, but can cause massive problems when they fail. One dam washed away up stream can then result in the inundation of more dams downstream. Debris can block bridges causing in extreme circumstances failure of structures as witnessed last year.
Who is going to control the beaver? Or should we bring in wolves and bears to do the job, since I cannot see once established , licences beingissued to do the job

From back to front... in the absence of natural predators - also wiped out by humans - beavers are culled with which I have no problem. Yes, of course the dams can cause problems when they fail; however, it should be noted that these problems only occur because of the location of ill-advised development and the fact that riverside habitats have been denuded.

As for the likelihood of such problems, you wrote 'will result in', where you should have written 'could'. If you assert that anthropomorphic climate change is a factor, I will agree with you, as I did in re' daft planning. Yet that doesn't alter the facts that the beaver is a native species and that there are many areas it could be reintroduced to without causing harm to humans or their interests - wise, or ill-advised. There is clear evidence that their repeated small dams reduce flow and in fact buffer floods.

Where would you not object to them being?

 

[AGN76]

At the age of 42 I have never seen a ginger beaver