Welsh SFS ‘Co-design’

egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
Interested to hear if any of our brethren farming in Wales are part of this.

I had a Teams meeting this afternoon, as part of above. They’ve apparently had a dozen or so groups, each of 10-12 participants, to discuss (for 90 minutes) various aspects of the proposed Sustainable Farming Scheme.
The group I was in was to discuss eligibility requirements, the ability to meet all of the ‘universal actions’ (like 10% trees ffs), the sustainability and habitat assessments.

I was shocked that, in our group, there were only four that I would describe as ‘farmers’. All of the others were smallholders, several retired, and a couple more that had ‘professional’ careers to support their hobbies.

The four farmers all came across as healthily suspicious of RPW’s requirements and motives, with all suggesting that RPW may struggle to get most of the land area to participate in their scheme.

One of the smallholders (retired FWAG) even went so far as to suggest that ‘less than 5%’ of farmers would be able to assess what habitat they had, or what potential it had. I may have expressed displeasure at that comment. :whistle:

What was most scary to me, was that if only one third of our panel were proper farmers, earning their livings from the job, and the same is presumably the case across the other panels, then RPW are getting some very skewed opinions on their scheme.
(like 10% trees ffs),

Come on @neilo ...we can sort that out if it's your only problem.
We'll simply get on the blower to one of the forest management companies, and 'rent' a few acres of bleak sodden monoculture sitka of them, to include in your managed area.
(curiously, part of the rental terms will be that they continue to do all active work, and market all output)

It's trees. innit guv?
Jobs a good'un!

Where there's a scheme there's a schemer

edit.....looking at subsequent posts, i'm not the only schemer!
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
There is a consultation survey on SFS out at the moment, which closes next week (on Nov 21st), allowing everyone to have their say.

Having seen the voices that have been so far having an input today, I implore all farmers in Wales to look at this and reply before the deadline. It really is important, if you don’t want future support shaped by good lifers and retirees.

Linky here: https://gov.wales/sustainable-farming-scheme-guide
Waded through this over coffee this morning, out of interest.... Makes SFI almost look acceptable!! :oops:

Really is an appalling Scheme from looking at the questions. I am not surprised the lads over the Border are in despair, seems like a hugely arrogant pile of crap.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
(like 10% trees ffs),

Come on @neilo ...we can sort that out if it's your only problem.
We'll simply get on the blower to one of the forest management companies, and 'rent' a few acres of bleak sodden monoculture sitka of them, to include in your managed area.
(curiously, part of the rental terms will be that they continue to do all active work, and market all output)

It's trees. innit guv?
Jobs a good'un!

Where there's a scheme there's a schemer

edit.....looking at subsequent posts, i'm not the only schemer!

When the scheme proposals were published back in the summer, I did wonder about such an arrangement with my landlord. The problem is, the tree cover is only one of 10 'universal actions' that need to be done to start to qualify for access to anything else, with no suggested payment rates on anything yet. The other problem is that my landlord is a greedy bugger, who would try to squeeze every bit of blood out of the deal.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
And what guarantee of payments in 3 - 5 - 10 years time. ?
Not going to fall for it myself. Bye, bye complicated forms, silly rules, and communism.🖕
Going to plough the arse out of my bit of ground..........right up to the hedge bottom. Looking forward to it.:woot:

How much do you reckon you'll be gaining from that last metre of hedgebottom? :scratchhead:
 

topground

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
As the occupier of land over which the Welsh government seek control I suggest when setting out your position on SFS to civil servants that you make it plain that you insist on being identified as a food producer.
It might seem trivial but the disconnect in the minds of the urban masses (from which policy advisors are drawn) between farming and food production is clearly huge and they must be reminded that since the term ‘farmer’ has been used in a pejorative manner it is no longer acceptable to apply that term to you.
It has a bearing because taking land out of food production is madness as we all know.
I have insisted on being described as a food producer in my dealings with DEFRA and the RPA over the course of the SFI pilot.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
So it’s pretty unworkable then depending on the percentage of owned/tenanted farms?

Whenever pressed, they have said there will be exemptions available, which makes a mockery of the idea of having 10% of Wales under tree cover. While most tenants won't be able to meet that requirement (even if they wanted too), landowners would presumably have to.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Whenever pressed, they have said there will be exemptions available, which makes a mockery of the idea of having 10% of Wales under tree cover. While most tenants won't be able to meet that requirement (even if they wanted too), landowners would presumably have to.
I can see some clever little arrangements being setup there... ;)

Owner occupier farmers, renting the land to themselves, setup as a Ltd Co comes to mind as a passing thgought?
 

egbert

Member
Livestock Farmer
When the scheme proposals were published back in the summer, I did wonder about such an arrangement with my landlord. The problem is, the tree cover is only one of 10 'universal actions' that need to be done to start to qualify for access to anything else, with no suggested payment rates on anything yet. The other problem is that my landlord is a greedy bugger, who would try to squeeze every bit of blood out of the deal.
I'm in a happier place in that respect.

In fact, I've planted a few acres which are identified as a 'tenants crop'......an arrangement a sensible agent came up with in discussion with me in 1989!
(wish I'd planted a lot more now of course....)
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
Waded through this over coffee this morning, out of interest.... Makes SFI almost look acceptable!! :oops:

Really is an appalling Scheme from looking at the questions. I am not surprised the lads over the Border are in despair, seems like a hugely arrogant pile of crap.
I would point out too, that you don't actually need to be resident or farming in Wales to respond to the questionaire.... ;)
 
I would point out too, that you don't actually need to be resident or farming in Wales to respond to the questionaire.... ;)
They've completely ignored every other consultation so it makes no difference what you answer and there's no limit to how many times you do the survey. My one reply to it had the words" feckin Idiots" at the end of each answer
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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