Wheat-Fraud

[Wolds Beef]

Our NFU(Don't say anything!!) County Chair loaded feed wheat on to a lorry a few days ago. Wheat was then unloaded on to a ship at one of the ports in Lincolnshire bound for Germany. Said ship sailed fully laden but was back in port being unloaded within days. (To short a time frame to be unloaded and reloaded) This time it was having Milling wheat unloaded!!.
The case is being investigated.
WB

 

[ajd132]

elaborate ?

 

[Wolds Beef]

That's all he told me.!! He is not on here.
WB

 

[David.]

Ah, the magic boat ride.

 

[Green oak]

Our NFU(Don't say anything!!) County Chair loaded feed wheat on to a lorry a few days ago. Wheat was then unloaded on to a ship at one of the ports in Lincolnshire bound for Germany. Said ship sailed fully laden but was back in port being unloaded within days. (To short a time frame to be unloaded and reloaded) This time it was having Milling wheat unloaded!!.
The case is being investigated.
WB

Follow the ship on marine traffic.

 

[Against_the_grain]

What dates?

 

[Will Blackburn]

Our NFU(Don't say anything!!) County Chair loaded feed wheat on to a lorry a few days ago. Wheat was then unloaded on to a ship at one of the ports in Lincolnshire bound for Germany. Said ship sailed fully laden but was back in port being unloaded within days. (To short a time frame to be unloaded and reloaded) This time it was having Milling wheat unloaded!!.
The case is being investigated.
WB

I don’t understand the fraud bit, either it tests well or not?

Wheat is wheat when it comes off a boat.

If there’s any other reason for it not being able to go direct to a flour mill, maybe there’s some illicit market manipulation there?

 

[Farmer Roy]

Surely the buyer in the UK will test it to make sure it meets the contract specs for milling ?

If it meets the contract specs, then where is the problem ?

If it DOESNT meet milling specs but is accepted as milling - then, yes, there IS a problem

 

[Chae1]

Seems strange we are exporting when tons back so far this harvest.

Maybe it's cause ours is so cheap.

 

[Chae1]

Surely the buyer in the UK will test it to make sure it meets the contract specs for milling ?

If it meets the contract specs, then where is the problem ?

If it DOESNT meet milling specs but is accepted as milling - then, yes, there IS a problem

Would be extensively sampled when boat filled.

Possibly by the buyers representative.

 

[Badshot]

Surely the buyer in the UK will test it to make sure it meets the contract specs for milling ?

If it meets the contract specs, then where is the problem ?

If it DOESNT meet milling specs but is accepted as milling - then, yes, there IS a problem

Here in good old UK, wheat has to be sold on variety, not milling spec or feed spec.
It has to meet standard milling, but also has to have a variety named.
God forbid we could simply do lab tests, find it's good enough for milling and sell it as such.

Oh and once many years ago before it was trendy to have blends I had a field with two varieties in because slugs ate the first lot, spun extra on top and rolled in.
Sold as mixed grp 1, asked to collect mixed grp1, loaded and put on passport mixed grp1.

Lorry kept for 4 hrs being resampled as they didn't have a variety.

 

[goodevans]

Perhaps the buyers wanted it un red tractored so it was the same as all other imports

 

[Neddy flanders]

Here in good old UK, wheat has to be sold on variety, not milling spec or feed spec.
It has to meet standard milling, but also has to have a variety named.
God forbid we could simply do lab tests, find it's good enough for milling and sell it as such.

Oh and once many years ago before it was trendy to have blends I had a field with two varieties in because slugs ate the first lot, spun extra on top and rolled in.
Sold as mixed grp 1, asked to collect mixed grp1, loaded and put on passport mixed grp1.

Lorry kept for 4 hrs being resampled as they didn't have a variety.

how do Merchant stores go on that buy many different varieties of grp1 and put them all in the same store. then outload as 'Grp 1'. are the rules different for them?

 

[Badshot]

how do Merchant stores go on that buy many different varieties of grp1 and put them all in the same store. then outload as 'Grp 1'. are the rules different for them?

Seem to be.

Try loading out mixed grp 1 next time you do a lorry.

 

[onesiedale]

what would be the cost/tonne to haul to docks, load to boat, travel on boat for x days then unload again?
and what would be the uplift £/tonne in value?

 

[Badshot]

what would be the cost/tonne to haul to docks, load to boat, travel on boat for x days then unload again?
and what would be the uplift £/tonne in value?

I'm sure it'd be less than the £50 uplift in value.

 

[Badshot]

At a guess the exporter has had chance to study the samples loaded on to the boat, decided it's better than feed so will bring it back and take the chance on it going into a mill.

 

[onesiedale]

I'm sure it'd be less than the £50 uplift in value.

must be very fine margin though. Surely lorries alone, in/out, would be approaching 35/tonne

 

[Neddy flanders]

Could this be 'hard feed wheat' being loaded in Lincs and then being unloaded in say Tilbury or Scotland as 'hard feed wheat' for use in a Mill? Chinese whispers maybe?

 

[Wolds Beef]

This happened a couple of months ago. Frontier was the merchant that bought from my friend.
WB