where do farmers think farming will be, in 5 years time

[som farmer]

some pretty generous grants about, all seemingly based on reducing out put.

we know from sheep and cattle prices, numbers are short, if they were not, prices wouldn't be where they are.

the world is getting more dangerous by the day. And yet, politicians here, from all parties, think we can import as much food, as needed, cheaper than producing it here. Same policies are through the EU.

so, if the shite hits the fan, and that affects imports, causing serious food inflation, is the question, where will UK be in 5 years time, and perhaps, where will prices be ?

 

[deleted user 837354]

I don't think there will be serious food inflation, or rather, it won't be due to these latest government measures, they will be insignificant compared to general inflation caused by other factors. I mean, the West is basically in a proxy war with Russia, that is gonna be expensive for a country with a shrinking middle class that is trying to pay the taxes to support a shrinking economic base that has struggled with productivity for decades.

The majority of farms will continue on, some might take advantage of these various BS schemes or not, twas ever thus. There are still people out there making good money without being able to claim subsidies. These sorts of people will always survive, the main consideration is whether the accept the cost/benefit of doing so and continue to produce food or just say fudge it and do something else.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

In a word: distilled

 

[melted welly]

Scottish agriculture in 5yrs time….

Marie Gougon the minister for agriculture and rural affairs will just have made her 113th announcement that there’s going to be an announcement at some point in the future about Scotgov agri policy post bps. She will include the usual buzzwords such as “sustainability”, ”strong economy”, “unique nature of Scotland”…….blah blah, no one listens.

In other news, former first minister Nick (formerly Nicola) Sturgeon is due for day release having served 4years of his/her 10 year sentence for his/her part in the SNP embezzlement scandal.

Current first minister of Scotland, Duncan Bannatine off Dragons Den greets the news by rolling his eyes and muttering something sarcastic.

 

[soapsud]

horse meat will become more of a thing

 

[Henarar]

Much the same as it has been

 

[som farmer]

just remember, we get the politicians we vote for.

sometimes a 1 party state, can look quite attractive, they are able to carry out long term projects, and jail any protestors.

 

[topground]

SFI will be a distant memory as Dame Janet Hughes successor uses yet more taxpayers money to pay for consultants to produce yet another scheme to pump money into the rural economy which is in recession.
The infrastructure supporting agriculture is close to collapse. Those farming without debt will carry on but the money men looking at those heavily leveraged and a number of fire sales will force the government to step in and keep farming and therefore those units, supported sufficiently to keep servicing the debt and staving off insolvency.
Politicians will continue to lie.

 

[yellow belly]

Non of use can predict that far in advance
5 years ago pre covid ect a lot has happened /changed

but it still rains crops get planted sheep lamb and cows get milked
the land I farm will be the same soil in the same place

over the last 100 years it has been permenant grass extensive livestock ploughd for the war ,arable barley barren
chickens cows wheat and beef wheat and rape with set aside /environmentle schemes with crops
so depending on the countries needs and wants it could any of the above

 

[kfpben]

Honestly, much the same as it is now.
From a livestock point of view there is currently so much opportunity.

 

[som farmer]

the only way we can raise prices, is to produce less, simple economics, supply/demand, and the reason the guv is pushing high tech, and productivity schemes,, more efficiency in their eyes = more cheaper production, and low prices.

if they cannot import enough, for various reasons, war famine weather disease, and they have knocked us back to hard, they are fecked.

but politicians don't think logically, if at all. And the farmers screaming about food security, are not thinking straight, why complain ?

SFI, and the general move to appease the climate zealots, is one of the best things to happen, to UK farmers for decades. Less production, means higher prices, simple.

we are under no obligation to feed the country, they have treated us with derision, why should we think we need to feed them ? That is the guv's duty, that they feck it up, is their problem, not ours.

we desperately need to get out of thinking, 'max production is the best', all that attitude is guv's way of ensuring cheap food. The truth is, less is better, for us, but not for the guv.

 

[richard hammond]

some pretty generous grants about, all seemingly based on reducing out put.

we know from sheep and cattle prices, numbers are short, if they were not, prices wouldn't be where they are.

the world is getting more dangerous by the day. And yet, politicians here, from all parties, think we can import as much food, as needed, cheaper than producing it here. Same policies are through the EU.

so, if the shite hits the fan, and that affects imports, causing serious food inflation, is the question, where will UK be in 5 years time, and perhaps, where will prices be ?

Nothing changes, the politicians and the EXPERTS will tell us how we ought to be farming that has happened ever since I entered agriculture 48years ago. We were doomed then and we are still predicting we are doomed. Just enjoy what you are doing and if it gets to much GET OUT!!!!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I think the Welsh Assembly will still be trying to nationalise farming by stealth, with NVZs, 20% habitat and TB, but there will be so much political instability in the world, free trade in food will be drying up. This will cause Westminster to say, food and farming is a national defence issue, and will overrule the devolved administrations and prioritise food production. All the re wilded land will be ploughed up, at the behest of the new War Ag, much to the chagrin of the National Trust/Wildlife Trusts/Badger support groups/RSPB etc. And those who are not too far in debt will continue farming, if they are not too old, the average age of British Farmers will by now be 65!

 

[DaveGrohl]

just remember, we get the politicians we vote for.

sometimes a 1 party state, can look quite attractive, they are able to carry out long term projects, and jail any protestors.

One import I’d be happy with would be Javier Milei.

 

[capfits]

Gleaning will become more popular among the serfs, as they attempt to pay off their bonds to the banks.

 

[melted welly]

One import I’d be happy with would be Javier Milei.

With his chainsaw

 

[Woolless]

Honestly, much the same as it is now.
From a livestock point of view there is currently so much opportunity.

Can you expand? Opportunities related to SFI?

 

[soapsud]

I think the Welsh Assembly will still be trying to nationalise farming by stealth, with NVZs, 20% habitat and TB, but there will be so much political instability in the world, free trade in food will be drying up. This will cause Westminster to say, food and farming is a national defence issue, and will overrule the devolved administrations and prioritise food production. All the re wilded land will be ploughed up, at the behest of the new War Ag, much to the chagrin of the National Trust/Wildlife Trusts/Badger support groups/RSPB etc. And those who are not too far in debt will continue farming, if they are not too old, the average age of British Farmers will by now be 65!

The charities and corps have cast iron Defra contracts.They'll be well recompensed - like the 19th Century slave owners were out of british taxpayers contributions. Win-win for them.

 

[kps]

Can you expand? Opportunities related to SFI?

Opportunity to sell up and livestock actually be worth something!!

 

[som farmer]

Nothing changes, the politicians and the EXPERTS will tell us how we ought to be farming that has happened ever since I entered agriculture 48years ago. We were doomed then and we are still predicting we are doomed. Just enjoy what you are doing and if it gets to much GET OUT!!!!

all we have done, is simplified what we do, life is less stressful. Maxed out on the greening measures, less imput, but decent output.