Where to buy a farm abroad with opportunities to actually farm

[crashbox]

I keep looking and currently am drawn toward South America Chile, Argentina and Brazil. but where else should I be looking?
And who has actually done it and how is it going.
My sister married a Kiwi and has farmed out there for the last 20 years but they no longer have the cheap land and are getting green washed like us

Type of farming dictates places where you should go, I.e. climate required.

Still plenty of cheap land (i.e. land where value/acre correlates with economics of commodity foot production) in US and Australia.

Here's a podcast of a kiwi who has started in US.

#160 - Dr. Richard Watson - 2000 Acre Grazing Dairy - Pharo Cattle Company

Dr. Richard Watson started a grazing dairy business in 2007, which has since expanded to three sites totaling over 2000 acres with a capacity to milk over 2500 cows. He is now working on developing a milk processing facility to vertically integrate his business and capture the premium that his...

pharocattle.com

Keep us posted.

 

[Kernowkid]

We help each other out, out of the UK you know

I mean family. Looking after the kids, dropping at school type thing. Not around the farm so much . I’m sure friends would help but takes time to build connections where ever you are

 

[nxy]

Religious for a reason, repenting sins?

In our small local village we have two catholic churches a couple of 100m apart both hundreds of years old. The reason for this are complex but at least partly due to local language differences back then, we are on the frontier between the Langue d'Oc and the Langue d'Oil.

Importantly my lot (traditionally Langue d'Oc) like the fact that the other lot "needed" a confessional in their church and we don't have one.

 

[Devil's advocate]

Over a 30 year period I worked In almost every EU country, USA & Australia & it would be be Australia closely followed by Midwest US for me and I based that on how nice the people are. But ultimately east or west homes best and it's dorset/hampshire for me.

Snakes in Australlia & guns in US mid West

 

[MF CI]

Ukraine.

we can joke but they have great soils, cheap land , way less regulation, no assurance, cheap labour, cheap capital and tiny fixed costs over that scale and can use many products banned in the uk ………….
And not impossible to amase 120,000 hectares.

 

[Little Karoo]

Ukraine.

we can joke but they have great soils, cheap land , way less regulation, no assurance, cheap labour, cheap capital and tiny fixed costs over that scale and can use many products banned in the uk ………….
And not impossible to amase 120,000 hectares.

Good place to set up if you want to go into Arable. Just need a bullet proof vest + hard hat when combining! ( this is what my guys from Moldova which is their neighbour is telling me )

 

[Danllan]

A few spoil it for the rest. All my colleagues are Romanian both at the business here & of course in Romania. Very honest, hardworking and extremely religious.

Oh ffs... the number of Romanians I have and have seen defended, convicted and then urge that their 'faith' be proffered in the plea in mit'... bloody hypocrites.

Of course most Romanians are alright most of the time, that's the same with everyone else too, so what? This doesn't change the plain fact that a greatly disproportionate number of Romanians here are convicted for whatever crime.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I would move to Romania. Already have a small Factory there with a Partner for my other business.
Lot of EU money going in. Still vast areas of land which has been left .
You could pick up an old "Collective " ( ex Soviet term for large Farms)
Excellent standard of living and most young people speak English. Anyway lots of UK TV !
Lots of opportunities and crime rate extremely low.

partner said it's one of the most corrupt countries, next to the Ukraine, full of gypsies, but lovely countryside and people.

Remember, capital and ownership is still (just) safe in the UK, the only place I could think that it's safer is Switzerland. That is why Russian millionaires buy in London and bank in Switzerland.

 

[crashbox]

This doesn't change the plain fact that a greatly disproportionate number of Romanians here are convicted for whatever crime.

 

[Roger Perry]

Snakes in Australlia & guns in US mid West

Scared of snakes..?
C'mon, things that could kill and eat you are the ones to watch out for..!

 

[Little Karoo]

partner said it's one of the most corrupt countries, next to the Ukraine, full of gypsies, but lovely countryside and people.

Remember, capital and ownership is still (just) safe in the UK, the only place I could think that it's safer is Switzerland. That is why Russian millionaires buy in London and bank in Switzerland.

There is a lot of corruption BUT because of that, there's also a lot of checks on bona fide businesses like ours. And yes, a lot of Gypsies though unlike here they typically build large Mansions and do contribute to the economy. They are hated by the locals to the point that I cannot wear a long 70s style skirt when there! I just think there's so much opportunity there farming wise.

 

[Danllan]

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So glad you asked...

'White British' in UK prisons = 72k out of their UK population of 50m = 1 in 707 doing time.

Romanians in UK prisons = 781 out of their UK population of 342k = 1 in 437 doing time.

Therefore statistically Romanians in the UK commit >61% more serious crime than natives.

Of course this almost entirely excludes Romanian recidivists; the numbers deported who are not allowed back into the UK can't be factored in. Whereas British recidivists obviously go back to prison; self-evidently this affects the numbers.

Romanian nationals population UK 2021 | Statista

As of June 2021 there around 342 thousand Romanians living in the United Kingdom.

www.statista.com

United Kingdom prison population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

QED and citations given.

 

[czechmate]

So glad you asked...

'White British' in UK prisons = 72k out of their UK population of 50m = 1 in 707 doing time.

Romanians in UK prisons = 781 out of their UK population of 342k = 1 in 437 doing time.

Therefore statistically Romanians in the UK commit >61% more serious crime than natives.

Of course this almost entirely excludes Romanian recidivists; the numbers deported who are not allowed back into the UK can't be factored in. Whereas British recidivists obviously go back to prison; self-evidently this affects the numbers.

Romanian nationals population UK 2021 | Statista

As of June 2021 there around 342 thousand Romanians living in the United Kingdom.

www.statista.com

United Kingdom prison population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

QED and citations given.

Do you have figures for Wales compared to England

 

[Little Karoo]

Do you have figures for Wales compared to England

Do you have figures for Wales compared to England

So glad you asked...

'White British' in UK prisons = 72k out of their UK population of 50m = 1 in 707 doing time.

Romanians in UK prisons = 781 out of their UK population of 342k = 1 in 437 doing time.

Therefore statistically Romanians in the UK commit >61% more serious crime than natives.

Of course this almost entirely excludes Romanian recidivists; the numbers deported who are not allowed back into the UK can't be factored in. Whereas British recidivists obviously go back to prison; self-evidently this affects the numbers.

Romanian nationals population UK 2021 | Statista

As of June 2021 there around 342 thousand Romanians living in the United Kingdom.

www.statista.com

United Kingdom prison population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

QED and citations given.

I see your point but there's actually 1.1 Mil Romanians here so 800 odd in Prison is not brilliant but not quite as bad as the picture you paint. Plus this post is about where to move if you want to farm . I would reiterate my original point that Romania is by and large a very safe country with a low murder and violent crime rate - far safer than the UK -IMO !

 

[czechmate]

I see your point but there's actually 1.1 Mil Romanians here so 800 odd in Prison is not brilliant but not quite as bad as the picture you paint. Plus this post is about where to move if you want to farm . I would reiterate my original point that Romania is by and large a very safe country with a low murder and violent crime rate - far safer than the UK -IMO !

i see you only joined in 2019. One of my favourite members of this forum was at one point called Danube. He farmed in Romania and was very enthusiastic about it

 

[Little Karoo]

i see you only joined in 2019. One of my favourite members of this forum was at one point called Danube. He farmed in Romania and was very enthusiastic about it

I was brought up on a large Dairy/ Arable farm in the north Cotswolds. My late Father brought Holsteins into the UK.
Was out of the industry for around 40 years then bought a small farm close to London. We were originally " playing" at it though now quite serious. Knowledge is the problem. Dad + Brothers did everything. I'm re- learning fast!
Have another business in Romania & UK producing furnishings for hotels, hence the need to be near London.

 

[Danllan]

I see your point but there's actually 1.1 Mil Romanians here so 800 odd in Prison is not brilliant but not quite as bad as the picture you paint. Plus this post is about where to move if you want to farm . I would reiterate my original point that Romania is by and large a very safe country with a low murder and violent crime rate - far safer than the UK -IMO !

Hmm... where do you get your figures, surely they aren't here unlawfully...? And, in passing, people are 30% more likely to be murdered in Romania than the UK...

Anyway, I'm not in the least 'anti' Romania or Romanians, only misrepresentation of things in general. That still doesn't mean I want millions to come to the UK, but I'm not against that because they are from Romania, it's a general principle.

 

[Lowland1]

I enjoyed America very much. Anywhere arable would be fine. Florida was great but too hot in summer. Virginia or Georgia for vegetable cropping. Pennsylvania or New York state or Tennessee. Probably not California as it's a bit hot. Problem is it's thirty years too late. Australia has opportunities if you don't mind flies and heat. I ended up here because my wife didn't want to move to UK it's been fine everyone speaks English there are still opportunities but it's not home. I came here for three months with just a rucksack it was just a stop on the road. I think anyone who sells up and moves to another country is incredibly brave. I inherited the farm in UK and would never sell it which limits further moves.

 

[uztrac]

Used to work with a fantastic American lady who along with her Bolivian husband owned a sheep ranch in Bolivia.
1000's of acres, some of it quite bleak & barren, staff all rode horses, lived in a bunkhouse, only used quad bikes for close by work, very low levels of mechanisation & tech, 2 hr drive to the nearest town.
She reckoned everything was very civilised & the cost of living/lifestyle was cheap.

Correct,Bolivia advertised heavily in the late 60's for folk to move there and buy land & farm it.At that time I was farming in India so took no further interest,but the appended looks interesting.

 

[Lowland1]

Oh ffs... the number of Romanians I have and have seen defended, convicted and then urge that their 'faith' be proffered in the plea in mit'... bloody hypocrites.

Of course most Romanians are alright most of the time, that's the same with everyone else too, so what? This doesn't change the plain fact that a greatly disproportionate number of Romanians here are convicted for whatever crime.

Blimey I thought you only worked with the Aryan Brotherhood.