Which straw rake?

[Joe Boy]

I can't see you need a straw rake for a strip till drill as they are usually wide enough spacing to get through most stuff.

Just get the combine driver to keep moving when it's full.

A partridge went through my straw rake once and didn't get killed so I think you would have to be really Luckly to hit a slug with it.

 

[warksfarmer]

in our Min Till magazin this month this rake was introduced:
http://www.bednar-machinery.com/index.php?idx=26044
interesting concept,
over 500 kg per m working width
video:

don't get me wrong, I have no affiliation with this company.
York-Th.

That does look like a handy tool actually. I bet it's a silly price though?

 

[Brisel]

Ha - @Brisel Yep we have designed a 12m Rake and can now offer it for this harvest but we would want an order by the end of July to guarantee delivery for end July. Effectively its the same as our 15m but smaller so I guess slightly less horsepower.

Why are you looking at 12m? CTF?

I hadn't checked this thread for a while.

The only reason I was looking at a rake wider than 7.5m was because I would rather have the extra capacity to do it twice at a slower speed rather than have to ask the harvest student to thrash the tractor at high speed with a narrower one. With a 15m one I would only really have one tractorthat would pull it up my steep hills so would be dependent on that one 370 hp drilling tractor being available. I have 3 tractors with 190 - 220 hp which would be more than capable of pulling a 7.5m one.

My "CTF" is by reducing passes & chopping straw instead of baling it, stacking then having lorries driving over the fields, then having to run around with a subsoiler to fix their compaction. I don't see the point of DD and controlled traffic - the point of CTF is to track on less land. Taking 2 - 3 cultivation passes out & being able to keep grain trailers to the tramlines most of the time covers most of those goals.

 

[warksfarmer]

I hadn't checked this thread for a while.

The only reason I was looking at a rake wider than 7.5m was because I would rather have the extra capacity to do it twice at a slower speed rather than have to ask the harvest student to thrash the tractor at high speed with a narrower one. With a 15m one I would only really have one tractorthat would pull it up my steep hills so would be dependent on that one 370 hp drilling tractor being available. I have 3 tractors with 190 - 220 hp which would be more than capable of pulling a 7.5m one.

My "CTF" is by reducing passes & chopping straw instead of baling it, stacking then having lorries driving over the fields, then having to run around with a subsoiler to fix their compaction. I don't see the point of DD and controlled traffic - the point of CTF is to track on less land. Taking 2 - 3 cultivation passes out & being able to keep grain trailers to the tramlines most of the time covers most of those goals.

I agree that CTF is not really worth it if your direct drilling. See pic below of spring wheat direct drilled.

Sprayer been in the field 3 times (glyphosate, fert 1, fert 2) and on the 3rd pass this week I couldn't see the marks from before and couldn't of applied the fert accurately without auto steer.

 

[Brisel]

What was that drilled with? Dale? Looks good & quite narrow row spacing.

 

[warksfarmer]

What was that drilled with? Dale? Looks good & quite narrow row spacing.

Weaving big disc 7 3/4 inch rows.

 

[Drdf96]

I need something to try & move the worst lumps of straw around a bit. Something that gets lots of acres done more quickly too. I can send the student out first thing in the morning before combining starts & they would be able to get a fair chunk of the previous days' cutting raked out.

The Carrier just rides over the lumps & takes a surprising amount of power to do a half decent job at an inch deep. Still a very good tool though.

Hi Brisel, slightly out the blue but I 've stumbled across your thread and seen you mention about the HP requirement of your carrier? What's the minimum HP you think you could get away with running it at around 4-5cm? We're looking at a 10 meter disk machine to fit into a CTF system mainly for creating a flush of weeds to create a stale seed bed. Any feed back would be appreciated. Many thanks.

 

[Brisel]

I can pull an old style 8.2m Carrier (It's an X version now) with 190 hp on stubble for a shallow stale seedbed no problem but for secondary cultivations where more depth is needed & there is more rolling resistance then the 190 hp is barely enough. I'm on light land but it is steep. 25 hp/metre seems a good rough guide but others in here are struggling to pull theirs on strnger ground. Adding Crossboard paddles really increases power requirement significantly.

I don't think they do something around 10m wide? They do a Crossboard version up to 9.25m otherwise the next size up is 12.25m. Horsch do a Joker at 10m but its working width is 9.75m!

 

[Drdf96]

I can pull an old style 8.2m Carrier (It's an X version now) with 190 hp on stubble for a shallow stale seedbed no problem but for secondary cultivations where more depth is needed & there is more rolling resistance then the 190 hp is barely enough. I'm on light land but it is steep. 25 hp/metre seems a good rough guide but others in here are struggling to pull theirs on strnger ground. Adding Crossboard paddles really increases power requirement significantly.

I don't think they do something around 10m wide? They do a Crossboard version up to 9.25m otherwise the next size up is 12.25m. Horsch do a Joker at 10m but its working width is 9.75m!

That's the problem with vaderstad, we're be looking at the likes of Bednars 10 meter machine or a Horsch as apparently they will make a 10.2 if you ask them specifically. Many manufacturers don't make a 10 meter machine!

Thanks for that, we were just trying to work out the smallest tractor we could put on it on very light work, seems a it of a jump in the dark when all you ever see pulling them in catalogs are quad tracks when our biggest machine is a big magnum! But for what we want it for I think we can comfortably manage!

 

[Brisel]

Michael Horsch is a big fan of CTF, practicing it on his own farms. I'm sure they would build you one. It might be worth asking the question of 10m stubble culitvators - there was a thread on CTF in either Cropping or Machinery recently.

 

[Drdf96]

Michael Horsch is a big fan of CTF, practicing it on his own farms. I'm sure they would build you one. It might be worth asking the question of 10m stubble culitvators - there was a thread on CTF in either Cropping or Machinery recently.

Yes I've been to one of his presentations, extreme CTF enthusiasts! That may have been my thread I believe! We're slowly moving over but many manufacturers don't acknowledge 10 meter systems so it's a process of elimination trying to find the right machines that actually have a working width of 10(rather 10.2) and take it from there!

 

[Brisel]

Is 20cm of overlap so bad?

 

[Drdf96]

Is 20cm of overlap so bad?

Sorry I didn't make myself quite clear, we'd rather a machine with a width of 10.2 than smack on 10.00 just to be sure every inch is covered, especially working as a part of the CTF system.

 

[TWF]

http://www.tillso.co.uk/strawrake.html