Who is the owner?

[John Chance]

Isn't the only thing that matters the disease risk to your sheep ?

 

[hoggs]

The landowner tried to identify the owner.

That’s as much as I know as I haven’t seen him after.

We put our sheep there however I wasn’t going to waste my time pi55ing around chasing three scraggy Welsh ewes,wasting half a day to return them.

They then started to lamb.

We’ll gather them in with ours when we pen them.

So......no definitive answer who the legal owner of the lamb is?

But they’re not ours.

Arwel at cae ap edward will probably know who they belong to, doesnt miss a thing.

 

[Yale]

Arwel at cae ap edward will probably know who they belong to, doesnt miss a thing.

He certainly doesn’t miss a thing....but his eyesight must be getting worse as he thought the black mark on our ewes was purple...but it was two fields away.

 

[Yale]

Isn't the only thing that matters the disease risk to your sheep ?

If they start scratching I won’t be pleased.

 

[Tarw Coch]

I know one farmer, well known for having strays everywhere who upon seeing one of his ewes had lambed on another farm, walked across the field, tagged the lambs and left them there.

 

[beefandsleep]

The landowner tried to identify the owner.

That’s as much as I know as I haven’t seen him after.

We put our sheep there however I wasn’t going to waste my time pi55ing around chasing three scraggy Welsh ewes,wasting half a day to return them.

They then started to lamb.

We’ll gather them in with ours when we pen them.

So......no definitive answer who the legal owner of the lamb is?

But they’re not ours.

If an attempt to find the owner has been made and no one has come forward then I would tag them and sell them on the ewes as couples. If someone comes along later and lays claim you can give them the money less your reasonable costs.
What your responsibilities regarding movement records are I’m not sure. A note in you flock book with the date they turned up with tag numbers might suffice.

 

[Yale]

If an attempt to find the owner has been made and no one has come forward then I would tag them and sell them on the ewes as couples. If someone comes along later and lays claim you can give them the money less your reasonable costs.
What your responsibilities regarding movement records are I’m not sure. A note in you flock book with the date they turned up with tag numbers might suffice.

The owner will be traced through animal health department however due to information being confidential they will contact the owner to contact me.

Still doesn’t answer who owns the lamb.....

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Sell them and donate it to the air ambulance

 

[multi power]

Sell them and donate it to the air ambulance

Or give them to a young lad just starting out

 

[egbert]

In lamb.

To complicate landowner claims BPS so technically should it be tagged with his tag before leaving the field with a movement license meaning that it would be his.?

returning strays on hill commons is overlooked, officially or otherwise

The landowner tried to identify the owner.

That’s as much as I know as I haven’t seen him after.

We put our sheep there however I wasn’t going to waste my time pi55ing around chasing three scraggy Welsh ewes,wasting half a day to return them.

They then started to lamb.

We’ll gather them in with ours when we pen them.

So......no definitive answer who the legal owner of the lamb is?

But they’re not ours.

The owner of the ewes owns any lambs.
They (might) be liable for a keep bill.
there is movement/ID derogation for return of strays on a common.
(how far away is a common?)

 

[Yale]

returning strays on hill commons is overlooked, officially or otherwise


The owner of the ewes owns any lambs.
They (might) be liable for a keep bill.
there is movement/ID derogation for return of strays on a common.
(how far away is a common?)

No where near a common.

I get the point of what will happen which is the ewes and their lambs will be returned. That is not an issue.

The interesting bit for me is in a court of law who is the legal owner?

 

[egbert]

No where near a common.

I get the point of what will happen which is the ewes and their lambs will be returned. That is not an issue.

The interesting bit for me is in a court of law who is the legal owner?

The owner of the ewe

 

[som farmer]

we have had odd small lots of very dirty sheep appear over the yrs, no tags, close to a main road, we have always thought ,this is someone checking his load, and these are the downers that can't get up !!!! not very valuable though, no one seems interested, police, trading standards, insurance etc. just send them off fat when/if they look alright.

 

[unlacedgecko]

No where near a common.

I get the point of what will happen which is the ewes and their lambs will be returned. That is not an issue.

The interesting bit for me is in a court of law who is the legal owner?

The original owners of the ewes owns the lambs. But as keeper, you are responsible for their health and welfare.

 

[Grem]

The original owners of the ewes owns the lambs. But as keeper, you are responsible for their health and welfare.

Surely though you have to be asked to 'keep' the animals in order to be responsible for their welfare, otherwise I could put my animals on neighbouring land, neglect them and then blame the owner of the land?

 

[unlacedgecko]

Surely though you have to be asked to 'keep' the animals in order to be responsible for their welfare, otherwise I could put my animals on neighbouring land, neglect them and then blame the owner of the land?

Nope! The landowner is responsible for the welfare of animals on their land...

 

[Grem]

Nope! The landowner is responsible for the welfare of animals on their land...

Well, you learn something new everyday. Thank you.

 

[Shann_mann]

That’s the best plan. Put your tags in it and get it in market.

 

[liammogs]

Refugees, I'm sure you could find all the info needed on gov.org

 

[ajcc]

Nope! The landowner is responsible for the welfare of animals on their land...

If the land has a tenant farmer on a legal agreement....as opposed to a grazier.