Whole crop Rye

[Mc115reed]

Indeed. We take it around 35% DM. I was warned severely about getting growth reg on when we first started growing it so we’ve made sure it gets Moddus. Seems to give it a lot of strength, much more so than it profers on wheat/barley to my surprise given the dire warnings. So far so good.

So that’s the job buggered

Most people who Iv chopped it for have given up growing it now because they can’t quite get it right… one year it looked like somebody had litrally flat rolled the entire field, we spent hours driving round chopping it all sorts of directions too get under it but I bet we left half in the field

 

[som farmer]

from many years ago, we used to grow oats and vetches, from those experiences, l was very wary about growing the vetches with rye, anyone who has looked at, or tried to cut, a field of v/oats, where it had gone down flat, would agree.
rye is more upright, and stronger than oats, and we probably cut a bit earlier now. We shall probably try w/wold instead of rye, this year. We have grown them without vetches this year, found a corner where we had 'missed' a bit, that was waist high, so yield potential is there.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Most people who Iv chopped it for have given up growing it now because they can’t quite get it right… one year it looked like somebody had litrally flat rolled the entire field, we spent hours driving round chopping it all sorts of directions too get under it but I bet we left half in the field

I’ve obv been lucky so far, I would never claim anything else. Being a formerly mainly livestock farm I have an inbuilt fear of flat barley/wheat crops from years of struggling to keep them up. Moddus changed everything for us. Full program of CCC and Cerone/Terpal was a pointless drain of money achieving very little.

 

[JMTHORNLEY]

No one seems to know basically if I put in Vetch and Rygrass will Vetch feed the growing crop as well as banking for the future

Pretty sure you've been telling everyone for weeks all the properties of Vetch and how much of it you've been selling and putting into your farm at home.....yet no idea what or how it does what it does

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Pretty sure you've been telling everyone for weeks all the properties of Vetch and how much of it you've been selling and putting into your farm at home.....yet no idea what or how it does what it does

The company I sell for are 3rd generation seed sellers , I get plenty of back up , don't panic , no one can be an expert in everything can they , no expect in any seed company as yet to tell me how soon it provides any nitrogen to the growing crop, everything change the day Nitrogen trippled in price , it's a whole new ball game now , I've not bought one bag this year yet

 

[thom]

The company I sell for are 3rd generation seed sellers , I get plenty of back up , don't panic , no one can be an expert in everything can they , no expect in any seed company as yet to tell me how soon it provides any nitrogen to the growing crop, everything change the day Nitrogen trippled in price , it's a whole new ball game now , I've not bought one bag this year yet

How many applications of growth regulators do you apply , and also is the spray similar to barley/ wheat

 

[ringi]

No one seems to know basically if I put in Vetch and Rygrass will Vetch feed the growing crop as well as banking for the future

I expect the issue is when does the Vetch start to give N to the Rygrass and does the N make much difference by that point?

got it in one, nobody really knows.
when we included vetch in a grazing ley, cows loved it, a bit to much, as we never saw it again.
l would think it releases N, after cut/graze.
but in the rye mix, the maize was a heavy crop, did it utilise the vetch N ?

Did you strip graze to protect the vetch?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Would Hybrid Rye be ok instead of Forage Rye for some winter and Spring Grazing ?

 

[som farmer]

I expect the issue is when does the Vetch start to give N to the Rygrass and does the N make much difference by that point?

Did you strip graze to protect the vetch?

yes, and it never came back. I have no idea when any N is available from it, we tend to apply a lot of slurry, for the maize, which would hide any N value, but last year, was a hell of a crop of maize, 18t/ac.
we have our own trial plot of spring vetch, not cut, or grazed, and not worth a photo either.
the different clovers, in plots there, have done really well, in what is some dry ground, in a dry year.
We worked on the principle, if you don't try it, you won't know, and its quite nice to see what they actually look like !
Very impressed with alsike clover, that is a thick dense sward.

 

[som farmer]

Would Hybrid Rye be ok instead of Forage Rye for some winter and Spring Grazing ?

its a different crop really, so not sure. When we used to grow forage rye, for early bite for the dairy, milk always shot up, when we moved over to grass ! Not impressed with forage rye.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

yes, and it never came back. I have no idea when any N is available from it, we tend to apply a lot of slurry, for the maize, which would hide any N value, but last year, was a hell of a crop of maize, 18t/ac.
we have our own trial plot of spring vetch, not cut, or grazed, and not worth a photo either.
the different clovers, in plots there, have done really well, in what is some dry ground, in a dry year.
We worked on the principle, if you don't try it, you won't know, and its quite nice to see what they actually look like !
Very impressed with alsike clover, that is a thick dense sward.

Spring Vetch don't work here , but like you say I tried it and now I know , not Tried Aliska but may give it a go

 

[som farmer]

reasonably certain this is alsike, we 'lost' the paper we wrote the different types of legumes, we planted, in their patches. But it has yellow flowers just appearing.

 

[Al R]

Would Hybrid Rye be ok instead of Forage Rye for some winter and Spring Grazing ?

Forage rye and hybrid(grain rye) are completely different. Like comparing Westerwolds and wheat.

@thom i think I did 3 growth regulators when I was growing Hybrid. Can’t remember exactly which ones but mainly chlormequat based plus some Moddus would’ve gone in to stiffen it

 

[som farmer]

Forage rye and hybrid(grain rye) are completely different. Like comparing Westerwolds and wheat.

@thom i think I did 3 growth regulators when I was growing Hybrid. Can’t remember exactly which ones but mainly chlormequat based plus some Moddus would’ve gone in to stiffen it

we didn't use a regulator, but with the vetch, caused me some concern, l remember extremely flat, oats and vetches, from yrs back.
Thankfully we got 'away' with out them.
hybrid rye, is very different to forage rye.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Forage rye and hybrid(grain rye) are completely different. Like comparing Westerwolds and wheat.

@thom i think I did 3 growth regulators when I was growing Hybrid. Can’t remember exactly which ones but mainly chlormequat based plus some Moddus would’ve gone in to stiffen it

Thanks