Why Are Young People Not Learning Trades/Skills?

[Ffermer Bach]

I've just been teasing, I'm sure you take people without qual's too.

the majority, but years ago, a tradesman was someone of standing in a community, not so much now.

I was teaching in a college in Suffolk, and our head of department had a call from a careers advisor saying, I have a young man who isn't bright enough to be a car mechanic, I thought he could become an agricultural mechanic instead!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

There you go you missed a lot of the reason kids want to go to University. They get to live away from home for three years , they are away from school and the discipline that goes with it. The degree they get is really secondary to all of that.

But, is the loan that they end up with, worth, extending adolescence by three or four years? I am not sure it is.

 

[JimAndy]

Go and ask the first 20 people you meet on any highstreet or in a pub and they'll tell you. But you know already, and are just asking a wannabe fashionable question...

But since you are unlikely to admit as much or have the balls to go and ask a random group of taxpayers... irrelevant degrees can be a large proportion from a uni' with an awful reputation, e.g. University of West London, or those that mean nothing outside of the 'academic' department that creates them, such as: Ethnic And Minority Studies; Puppetry Design and Performance; Politics, Sexuality and Gender; Queer Studies; Transnational Queer Feminist Politics etc. etc. etc.

But you already know all this...

well that a bit of a dead cat answer, lots of guff in the hope we won't notice that you haven't answered

as for "But you already know all this... "

i know sod all, i use to think i knew but then as i said in my last post a young woman in the village did a "media study degree which i made lots of fun off, now she got a 100K job

I know another guy who went to that well known University town Luton, again i joked that it was for a 4 year pee up. he now runs his own Local IT company and employs 3 people

yes there are a lot of degrees out there that, in the world that i grew up in, have no use. but i don't live in the the world i grew up in. i live in the present and just because i don't understand what the subject matter, doesn't mean that it doesn't have a use. after all Look at Boris, his degree is in Literae Humaniores, a degree that from MY POV is about as unless as a ashtray on a motorcycle, yet the guy ended up in the highest office in the country, yet by your standard he should have been send down the building site to lean a trade

 

[Lowland1]

But, is the loan that they end up with, worth, extending adolescence by three or four years? I am not sure it

We are always going to disagree I reckon.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

It’s the education system to blame

And it started here 40-50 years ago with the push to get everyone to "university".
Fúck off I'm not going anywhere where to get a pass is by conforming to dated preconceived left wing political standards.

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Schools just steer them all to university direction , manual jobs are taught to be beneath them , truck driving pays alot better than many jobs now but you wouldnt get a careers officer encouraging yoof into haulage and if they did it would have to be a degree in management or something …. My lad took an apprenticeship route into accountancy works hard got no debts and new car his mate went to uni do same thing , lazy loads of debt no car and will find work really hard after years of dossing about …. Hmmm my other lad is apprentice agg engineer great jobs but schools are not even telling the kids about this sort of thing and they discourage ordinary jobs which truth told vast majority of us only any good for anyway.

Many uneducated are actually are geniuses at their job....

 

[Ffermer Bach]

well that a bit of a dead cat answer, lots of guff in the hope we won't notice that you haven't answered

as for "But you already know all this... "

i know sod all, i use to think i knew but then as i said in my last post a young woman in the village did a "media study degree which i made lots of fun off, now she got a 100K job

I know another guy who went to that well known University town Luton, again i joked that it was for a 4 year pee up. he now runs his own Local IT company and employs 3 people

yes there are a lot of degrees out there that, in the world that i grew up in, have no use. but i don't live in the the world i grew up in. i live in the present and just because i don't understand what the subject matter, doesn't mean that it doesn't have a use. after all Look at Boris, his degree is in Literae Humaniores, a degree that from MY POV is about as unless as a ashtray on a motorcycle, yet the guy ended up in the highest office in the country, yet by your standard he should have been send down the building site to lean a trade

Boris went to uni when far fewer went there, he also went to Oxbridge, which is worth far more than the individual subject. He went to public school, so even before university he was floating in both cultural and social capital.

 

[Lowland1]

Boris went to uni when far fewer went there, he also went to Oxbridge, which is worth far more than the individual subject. He went to public school, so even before university he was floating in both cultural and social capital.

Boris went to Oxbridge when any ne'er do well could pitch up tell him they'd been to Eton and would be admitted 'cos the headmaster knew the college master. Try that today.

 

[kiwi pom]

Do modern "comprehensive" schools have, p.e. thats going out in the cold in winter and playing rugby, football, inside doing "GYM", do they have "home economics", that is being taught how to make and prepare meals, then serve, washup after, do they have metal working, my school at time, (1970s), in the metal working shop, had a proper blacksmith forge, tools etc, lathes, small and large, milling, machines, shapers, mould making and casting in aluminium, etc, all done by us lot from 11-16, like wise a pottery, kiln, printing shop, dress making, and design shop, all in my state run local comprehensive?

Different country but my sons high school (known as a college for some reason) has all that.
We had it too when I was at school in Cheshire (I'm 50) I don't remember anyone particularly enjoying school or being interested in woodwork or metal work.
Maybe it was just my school

 

[Devil's advocate]

No but grandpa worked in Woolly

That's where Arthur Scargill trained as an electrican. Those who worked with him say that there was always a thick layer of dust on his tool box lid.

 

[czechmate]

That's where Arthur Scargill trained as an electrican. Those who worked with him say that there was always a thick layer of dust on his tool box lid.

well, it were right dusty

 

[Danllan]

well that a bit of a dead cat answer, lots of guff in the hope we won't notice that you haven't answered

as for "But you already know all this... "

i know sod all, i use to think i knew but then as i said in my last post a young woman in the village did a "media study degree which i made lots of fun off, now she got a 100K job

I know another guy who went to that well known University town Luton, again i joked that it was for a 4 year pee up. he now runs his own Local IT company and employs 3 people

yes there are a lot of degrees out there that, in the world that i grew up in, have no use. but i don't live in the the world i grew up in. i live in the present and just because i don't understand what the subject matter, doesn't mean that it doesn't have a use. after all Look at Boris, his degree is in Literae Humaniores, a degree that from MY POV is about as unless as a ashtray on a motorcycle, yet the guy ended up in the highest office in the country, yet by your standard he should have been send down the building site to lean a trade

I did answer, but the list is seemingly inexhaustible...

I have sat in on the interview panel for a friend's firm, engineering, fair number of employees and very open minded. The number of no-hopers that had 'degrees' from crap universities was crazy. The best were called for interview and none were up to par, on previous occasions and since this has proved to be the case.

Now they don't even bother calling in those who haven't attended a university that they know has good standards. This is business, not charity work, if they find someone who will work well for them, they couldn't care less on the background, but they aren't going to waste their own time and money.

I am delighted that you know of exceptions to the rule, surprised that you know of so many, but nonetheless pleased. It doesn't change the fact that an awful lot of young people are wasting their time and money.

 

[czechmate]

Different country but my sons high school (known as a college for some reason) has all that.
We had it too when I was at school in Cheshire (I'm 50) I don't remember anyone particularly enjoying school or being interested in woodwork or metal work.
Maybe it was just my school

Really. I find that astonishing. We all loved metalwork and woodwork. I did anyway but on top of that at least it wasn’t English, maths, French , etc

 

[Wood field]

Really. I find that astonishing. We all loved metalwork and woodwork. I did anyway but on top of that at least it wasn’t English, maths, French , etc

We did metal and woodwork for the first 3 years , I didn’t take either when it came to the options for o levels ( my Dad chose mine )

 

[czechmate]

We did metal and woodwork for the first 3 years , I didn’t take either when it came to the options for o levels ( my Dad chose mine )

i made a steam engine , I still have it

 

[czechmate]

I have a friend here, practical and 3 days off my age. So both 63. Last summer we were working on a roof repair with a French builder, also 62. I turned to my friend and said look at this, struggling with this job and we are all over 60, where are the young people. He answered, “they have got more sense “
Hmmm

 

[Wood field]

i made a steam engine , I still have it

My Dad chose most of my options, with I suppose the best of intentions, English and Maths ( compulsory) Tech Drawing, Gen Science, Engineering Science, I did geography and biology to fill the timetable
Really hated school!

 

[czechmate]

My Dad chose most of my options, with I suppose the best of intentions, English and Maths ( compulsory) Tech Drawing, Gen Science, Engineering Science, I did geography and biology to fill the timetable
Really hated school!

Do you remember, adults always used to say “your school days are the best days of your life?”

 

[Wood field]

Do you remember, adults always used to say “your school days are the best days of your life?”

Yes the lying sods

 

[Pistonbroke]

My Dad chose most of my options, with I suppose the best of intentions, English and Maths ( compulsory) Tech Drawing, Gen Science, Engineering Science, I did geography and biology to fill the timetable
Really hated school!

I found school very easy and was always somewhere near top of each subject but got bored of it and hated being there. Didn't revise for any of the exams and still passed everything, couldn't wait to get out. Then,saw others that I was better than go and get jobs with NASA,Airbus,BBC,city banks etc,while I was shovelling sh!t and chasing sheep for nothing. Both of our kids are bright and I won't let them do what I did,so they're getting all the qualifications they can first and if they want to farm after that they're welcome anytime. Daughter is doing her GCSEs this year and they're predicting eleven A*