Why aren’t we protesting?

[Burrell Road Loco]

Folks, why we aren’t we getting organised and using the massive support that the European farmers (and Canadian truckers) are getting by not protesting in at least some form here I’m Britain?
Before we all believe the NFU’s mantra about ‘lack of public support’, just pop onto YouTube and read the comments on any farmer protest post.
There IS lots of public support when we give them the facts, unlike what our industry spokespeople have been doing for decades.
Alternatively we could simply sit back, wait for British politicians to make some nice noises, but carry on crushing us by the back door, and then moan as our industry is eradicated by the WEF etc.
We all have to look at ourselves in the mirror, when our children don’t have an industry to inherit!

 

[robs1]

Folks, why we aren’t we getting organised and using the massive support that the European farmers (and Canadian truckers) are getting by not protesting in at least some form here I’m Britain?
Before we all believe the NFU’s mantra about ‘lack of public support’, just pop onto YouTube and read the comments on any farmer protest post.
There IS lots of public support when we give them the facts, unlike what our industry spokespeople have been doing for decades.
Alternatively we could simply sit back, wait for British politicians to make some nice noises, but carry on crushing us by the back door, and then moan as our industry is eradicated by the WEF etc.
We all have to look at ourselves in the mirror, when our children don’t have an industry to inherit!

All we have then do is shut of the supply of food for a week, but the NFU won't support that and too many farmers won't stop supplying it .

 

[L P]

All we have then do is shut of the supply of food for a week, but the NFU won't support that and too many farmers won't stop supplying it .

No point stopping our own supply, block the imports and wait for merchants phonecalls.

 

[kiwi pom]

Folks, why we aren’t we getting organised and using the massive support that the European farmers (and Canadian truckers) are getting by not protesting in at least some form here I’m Britain?
Before we all believe the NFU’s mantra about ‘lack of public support’, just pop onto YouTube and read the comments on any farmer protest post.
There IS lots of public support when we give them the facts, unlike what our industry spokespeople have been doing for decades.
Alternatively we could simply sit back, wait for British politicians to make some nice noises, but carry on crushing us by the back door, and then moan as our industry is eradicated by the WEF etc.
We all have to look at ourselves in the mirror, when our children don’t have an industry to inherit!

What is it you want?

 

[robs1]

No point stopping our own supply, block the imports and wait for merchants phonecalls.

Blocking imports may well involve breaking laws, blocking roads etc, the French will get away with that we won't, why do you think stopping imports will be more effective than dumping milk and stopping animal/ milling wheat supply for a week.

 

[Burrell Road Loco]

What is it you want?

Is that a serious question?

 

[L P]

Blocking imports may well involve breaking laws, blocking roads etc, the French will get away with that we won't, why do you think stopping imports will be more effective than dumping milk and stopping animal/ milling wheat supply for a week.

Because the food industry will just rush a load more imports across to keep the shelves full whilst we sabotage ourselves.

 

[le bon paysan]

Because the food industry will just rush a load more imports across to keep the shelves full whilst we sabotage ourselves.

There are problems at the Inland Border Facilities, they can't process the paperwork. Now is a good time to blockade ports and stop supplying for a week or two.
Pick up the phone to Confederation Rurale and get them to do some ports the other side of the channel. Spanish Farmers out and Italian today, Belgium Dutch and German ongoing, hold on and you will lose out on momentum.

 

[kiwi pom]

Is that a serious question?

Yes.
If you are going to protest you have to say what you want.

 

[L P]

There are problems at the Inland Border Facilities, they can't process the paperwork. Now is a good time to blockade ports and stop supplying for a week or two.
Pick up the phone to Confederation Rurale and get them to do some ports the other side of the channel. Spanish Farmers out and Italian today, Belgium Dutch and German ongoing, hold on and you will lose out on momentum.

Might be a long slow conversation if it were to be spoken in French! Bar possibly being able to demand a higher price on your exports how would blockading ports affect French farmers? Over here it would certainly put an importance to our food security if imports stopped voluntarily. It would focus minds at AHDB to give parity to Gatekeeper imports too.

 

[le bon paysan]

Might be a long slow conversation if it were to be spoken in French! Bar possibly being able to demand a higher price on your exports how would blockading ports affect French farmers? Over here it would certainly put an importance to our food security if imports stopped voluntarily. It would focus minds at AHDB to give parity to Gatekeeper imports too.

There's always someone who speaks English. Go through
COPA-COGECA

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[Burrell Road Loco]

Yes.
If you are going to protest you have to say what you want.

 

[Still Farming]

Welsh farming: Protesters parade coffin at Carmarthen demo

A backlash against plans to reform agriculture in Wales is predicted by union leaders.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Burrell Road Loco]

The same as the other protesting farmers the world over, we all have the same problem.
Goverments have interfered with farming for well over a century to bring the masses cheap, safe food.
However if governments continue to over regulate (based on whatever science they chose), increase taxation (whatever form that may be), reduce subsidies (if given), blame us for every ill they choose, this gradually reduces profitability to the point that we will not be able to continue. We have now reached that point here.
Each country and area will be different, but this is broadly true the world over.
Even third world countries have to contend with the effects, after all I don’t believe African farmers are terribly profitable.
May I suggest we ask ourselves why?

 

[neilo]

The same as the other protesting farmers the world over, we all have the same problem.
Goverments have interfered with farming for well over a century to bring the masses cheap, safe food.
However if governments continue to over regulate (based on whatever science they chose), increase taxation (whatever form that may be), reduce subsidies (if given), blame us for every ill they choose, this gradually reduces profitability to the point that we will not be able to continue. We have now reached that point here.
Each country and area will be different, but this is broadly true the world over.
Even third world countries have to contend with the effects, after all I don’t believe African farmers are terribly profitable.
May I suggest we ask ourselves why?

Well done. Similar has been posted on various other threads too, and we all feel under pressure.

But the question remains, what do you want? What banner do you advocate protesting under?

Other threads have already gone off on the TFF tangent of protesting about NFU/RT etc , but what simple message would you take to the public, that would get their support?

 

[Still Farming]

The Whole of the UK has certain issues plus devolved nations have them plus more.

 

[L P]

What's with all the new names coming on here asking the same questions? Everyone up in arms about gfc, food security, sfi and suddenly out of the blue Mark Spencer pipes up and says we must concentrate on food security, cap sfi, stop mickey taking whole farm wild bird mixtures etc. @Burrell Road Loco as a new poster is highlighting lots of issues we have been talking about, but can't say what to protest. AI on tff? Coincidence? Awful lot of convenient coincidences happening just now.
I've had my say as to my discontent elsewhere.

 

[Danllan]

... what simple message would you take to the public, that would get their support?

Message = if you want secure food supplies the producers need to be able to make a living doing it, a fair living. Look at the BS of RT, it is unnecessary and costs money; look at the ludicrous demands the supermarkets often make; and some mark-ups too. Explain why when inputs rise prices of produce shouldn't...

We could add, if a poke at the 'green' lobby is required... You don't like British farmers? Alright, show us the country you think is great, that doesn't do what we do, produces more and better food at a better price and can get it to UK consumers with less pollution.

But this is all irrelevant without a national organisation that will take the argument / fight to the media and those that do down UK ag'. Where is such a national organisation? It shouldn't be waiting for a call from some MSM hack, it should be right in the face of Ministers (+ opposition wannabes) and of the media.

It should not be 'discussing' the matter, or 'putting the case for...', it should be absolutely tearing apart the rubbish espoused against UK ag', But that doesn't happen. Anyone leading a farming organisation and acting as an advocate needs to be able to do more than just put our side of things, he needs to be able to eviscerate the opposition with hard fact.

And that's the truth of it, but don't hold your breaths gents, don't hold your breaths...

 

[L P]

Message = if you want secure food supplies the producers need to be able to make a living doing it, a fair living. Look at the BS of RT, it is unnecessary and costs money; look at the ludicrous demands the supermarkets often make; and some mark-ups too. Explain why when inputs rise prices of produce shouldn't...

We could add, if a poke at the 'green' lobby is required... You don't like British farmers? Alright, show us the country you think is great, that doesn't do what we do, produces more and better food at a better price and can get it to UK consumers with less pollution.

But this is all irrelevant without a national organisation that will take the argument / fight to the media and those that do down UK ag'. Where is such a national organisation? It shouldn't be waiting for a call from some MSM hack, it should be right in the face of Ministers (+ opposition wannabes) and of the media.

It should not be 'discussing' the matter, or 'putting the case for...', it should be absolutely tearing apart the rubbish espoused against UK ag', But that doesn't happen. Anyone leading a farming organisation and acting as an advocate needs to be able to do more than just put our side of things, he needs to be able to eviscerate the opposition with hard fact.

And that's the truth of it, but don't hold your breaths gents, don't hold your breaths...

As we well know, the "leading" farm organisation certainly doesn't have our interest at heart, leaves us with CLA, TFA and BFU, maybe NFU Cymru, perhaps they could all cooperate together with some lateral thinking, CLA has a wealth of research and fact, BFU and TFA have the drive.

 

[robs1]

Because the food industry will just rush a load more imports across to keep the shelves full whilst we sabotage ourselves.

There isn't the transport capacity to do that and with perishable goods like milk and milk products there isn't the capacity to package it and I doubt there is enough milk spare in Europe, it would need doing quietly to catch the dairies, mills and supermarkets on the hop.
Without being personal your last sentence shows why UK farming is f**ked, too short sighted to throw away a weeks income to gain a better future.
It's why milk marque failed because too many sold out and is why virtually everything we do now is sold direct and to the equine market until UK farmers stick together and are prepared to lose out for a short time then there is no hope, it's no wonder the NFU are allowed to be sh!t and no wonder the government, procession and supermarkets take us for mugs because we are.