Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Bloody elll how true is that !!
WHY IS THERE SUCH A SHORTAGE OF LABOUR IN EVERY INDUSTRY IN THIS COUNTRY?
- Thread starter bluebell
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Uk public should all get off this constant cheap message ,(many find money for fags at over £10 a packet) its cheap because someone is paying for it , either those working here paid minimum wage or its imported from countries that employ slave labour or have poor environmental standards , Civil servants earning 50 grand a year need to stop buying £1000 bikes and value their food , or better still get out and help those that grow it .
Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
They won’t unless forced .
Roll on a national industry/service, as daft as it seems It would be cheaper for the governments to employ people rather than support them on benefits, the problem is it seems some don’t want to work, and it also seems that it difficult to make them work.
some farmers near me used people on community service to plant trees and hedgerows, I am not what it cost the farmer, but he asked why one of the lads was still sat on the bus, the reply was we cannot force them to work, but they don’t get hours taken off there community service time. . .
My suggestion is they make people work if that’s possible, let’s face it lots of rubbish to be picked up, if you claim your able to work and can only find 12 hours a week, then find them something for the other hours they claim to be happy to working for but cannot find work to do in. Expended community service, create jobs that don’t exist now, like cleaning road sides litter, maintaining public rights of way/foot paths, give them options for training like apprenticeships, this creates an extra job a trainer,
Give them jobs that are normally uneconomic to do, as in they don’t normally get done, by paid staff.
Community projects, where volunteers are needed, etc. If some charity gets the help it needs then I am less worried about supporting a benefits system. The line I draw is you have to be careful they don’t take actual jobs out of the jobs market, but if there is a shortage of workers, an industry can pay in to the system and pull out so called workers, so they don’t pay wages to people direct they pay in to the system,
Transport, this is often a real and Imaginary barrier to work, again I am sure that just creates a new job for someone, if we shifted to a community work system.
the system creates a pool of work some offered by businesses that are looking for workers, some community, some charity, and others govermant schemes like tree planting or litter picking etc.
for the person taking work from the pool doesn’t Jeopardise their benefits.
The pool is then used to find work for those claiming to be out of work or on only limited hrs.
I do also believe training should be part of the pool, a person can use the hrs they need to do in training to re skill.
And some level of qualification to be given out if it’s completed.
The training can be any number of things, maybe lead by the person or the pool, if jobs go unfilled in the pool then if training is needed for those jobs, the pool offers training.
While this no doubt it has no chance of actualy working In the real world, it would seem to me be in the right ball park.
I also believe the govermant should consider council housing a priority, they need to build more and train people to build them, I half remember a tv show where the people were building or help to build there own new homes, once they were complete they got to move in to them.
This could also be done for refurbishing old housing stock, upto new insulation codes, if a person carries out work on their council house they live in to improve its energy efficiency then that counts as pool derived work.
There is a large pool of very poor house in the uk.
some farmers near me used people on community service to plant trees and hedgerows, I am not what it cost the farmer, but he asked why one of the lads was still sat on the bus, the reply was we cannot force them to work, but they don’t get hours taken off there community service time. . .
My suggestion is they make people work if that’s possible, let’s face it lots of rubbish to be picked up, if you claim your able to work and can only find 12 hours a week, then find them something for the other hours they claim to be happy to working for but cannot find work to do in. Expended community service, create jobs that don’t exist now, like cleaning road sides litter, maintaining public rights of way/foot paths, give them options for training like apprenticeships, this creates an extra job a trainer,
Give them jobs that are normally uneconomic to do, as in they don’t normally get done, by paid staff.
Community projects, where volunteers are needed, etc. If some charity gets the help it needs then I am less worried about supporting a benefits system. The line I draw is you have to be careful they don’t take actual jobs out of the jobs market, but if there is a shortage of workers, an industry can pay in to the system and pull out so called workers, so they don’t pay wages to people direct they pay in to the system,
Transport, this is often a real and Imaginary barrier to work, again I am sure that just creates a new job for someone, if we shifted to a community work system.
the system creates a pool of work some offered by businesses that are looking for workers, some community, some charity, and others govermant schemes like tree planting or litter picking etc.
for the person taking work from the pool doesn’t Jeopardise their benefits.
The pool is then used to find work for those claiming to be out of work or on only limited hrs.
I do also believe training should be part of the pool, a person can use the hrs they need to do in training to re skill.
And some level of qualification to be given out if it’s completed.
The training can be any number of things, maybe lead by the person or the pool, if jobs go unfilled in the pool then if training is needed for those jobs, the pool offers training.
While this no doubt it has no chance of actualy working In the real world, it would seem to me be in the right ball park.
I also believe the govermant should consider council housing a priority, they need to build more and train people to build them, I half remember a tv show where the people were building or help to build there own new homes, once they were complete they got to move in to them.
This could also be done for refurbishing old housing stock, upto new insulation codes, if a person carries out work on their council house they live in to improve its energy efficiency then that counts as pool derived work.
There is a large pool of very poor house in the uk.
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ollie989898
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Why the heck the benefits system limits people to working such a small number of hours per week I will never know.
If you are on benefits and working 16 hours a week then you are hardly likely to be a millionaire living the high life?
Surely the DWP should be saying: 'ok, you can work all the hours you like and we will continue to pay the benefit payment each week plus your housing support (i.e weekly rent)?' What difference does it make- the weekly housing support is going straight into the pockets of landlords or local authorities anyway and if you let these folk earn more they will either spent it or save it so the tax is recouped anyway.
It's not like different government departments can't talk to each other- if a person is suddenly earning £40K PA then clearly they do not need housing benefit etc but for the people in the system who want to work, I'd say don't discourage them from working- the economy needs people to do these jobs and many of the people in the benefits system I know of actually want to work full time as it is better for their own mental wellbeing and they feel better about their situation. These people are hardly living like kings and I see no reason to have disincentives in their way that deter them from working.
Years ago, my father employed a single lady in our washup who was in the exact same situation described. She was very good at her job, always helpful and polite and, most importantly, was totally reliable. The exact kind of people that employers want but she was totally unable to work more than a certain number of shifts because it would put her housing benefit at risk and who the hell wants to have the thought of losing their home and roof over their kid's heads keeping them awake at night?
Government has decided the UK will be a high tech high value economy. The message is robots will do low paid jobs, low productivity work like farming and other primary industries isn't important and will be exported and everyone will spend 3 days a week designing space rockets in their garden offices.
The country will be so wealthy we'll barely need to work at all. In fact Wales wants to trial Universal Basic Income where everyone will get £213 a week regardless of employment, that'll help with the labour shortage.
Having worked in minimum wage retail jobs ubi will force employers to offer something more then minimum wage and literally no perks, not even a discount at the shop