Worm and vit drench

[Wood field]

Is it ok to worm then drench together , not mixed but two dosing guns if that makes sense? Or best do them a few days apart

 

[Al R]

If your going to do it do the mineral first I’ve been told by a few people who make it, something to do with lining the stomach wall with the mineral drench so it absorbs quicker and then the wormer after. No idea how much truth in it or was it just a sale pitch to say how good it was

 

[ritchiekirkland]

I always pre mix so it’s just one dose !

 

[Wood field]

If your going to do it do the mineral first I’ve been told by a few people who make it, something to do with lining the stomach wall with the mineral drench so it absorbs quicker and then the wormer after. No idea how much truth in it or was it just a sale pitch to say how good it was

I am dubious about doing it together, don’t ask me why!
Possibly better get them wormed then drench next week, found worms in a sample though ewes look fit , we know we’re copper short hence a drench

 

[scottish-lleyn]

I am dubious about doing it together, don’t ask me why!
Possibly better get them wormed then drench next week, found worms in a sample though ewes look fit , we know we’re copper short hence a drench

If your copper short and you know that, i would suggest a bolus rather than a drench they wont get much from the drench in the long term, they pee alot of it out, a drench first then a bolus if really deficient. Doing both on the same day isnt an issue.

 

[Global ovine]

Only mix two different solutions on the manufacturers recommendations, as they may chemically react in the rumen, or not hold in suspension in the back pack. All this stuff is too expensive to mess with.
There are some Vitamin and TE products that state that they are suitable to mix with worm drenches, these are stated in the directions for use.
Such products have very low rates of these ingredients to prevent toxicity and some of these ingredients have very limited or no storage organs in the ruminant system. It's a shotgun approach to fix usually a single problem. Why pay for things that are unnecessary, better to test and take advice.

 

[Ysgythan]

Is it ok to worm then drench together , not mixed but two dosing guns if that makes sense? Or best do them a few days apart

Always done them in the same gun if it’s a solution drench. Got to be very careful to keep shaking if doing that with a suspension drench.

 

[Wood field]

If your copper short and you know that, i would suggest a bolus rather than a drench they wont get much from the drench in the long term, they pee alot of it out, a drench first then a bolus if really deficient. Doing both on the same day isnt an issue.

I’ve been looking in to bolusing, but if I am honest was a bit nervy about doing the lambs ( gimmers kept back ) let alone ewes , but going forwards it’s something we will have to do.
I’ve decided to drench everything this time , then bolus the ewes later
Also re the worm/ vit timing, I am thinking of worming ewes this morning, vit drench next weekend

 

[Al R]

I’ve been looking in to bolusing, but if I am honest was a bit nervy about doing the lambs ( gimmers kept back ) let alone ewes , but going forwards it’s something we will have to do.
I’ve decided to drench everything this time , then bolus the ewes later
Also re the worm/ vit timing, I am thinking of worming ewes this morning, vit drench next weekend

How much is the mineral drench? An experienced boluser will be on par with dosing speed

 

[Wood field]

How much is the mineral drench? An experienced boluser will be on par with dosing speed

It’s cost £130 to do them ( pro vita)
But … guy we buy tups from and our buyer who takes all our lambs, both drench lambs monthly
Seems like a lot of work to me ! But looking on the bolus thread , we had a few lambs with the scaly sunburned looking ears , and from soil tests we know we are deficient in copper
Thought the drench would give a pick me up , then bolus ewes after tupping , don’t want too many lambs on the hill sheep, although we’re slowly bringing younger ewes on and culling hard through the older girls

 

[Al R]

It’s cost £130 to do them ( pro vita)
But … guy we buy tups from and our buyer who takes all our lambs, both drench lambs monthly
Seems like a lot of work to me ! But looking on the bolus thread , we had a few lambs with the scaly sunburned looking ears , and from soil tests we know we are deficient in copper
Thought the drench would give a pick me up , then bolus ewes after tupping , don’t want too many lambs on the hill sheep, although we’re slowly bringing younger ewes on and culling hard through the older girls

I’ve seen the trial results a hill farm I know well did years ago part of a big trial among a few farms which did lambs with cobalt sulphate costing under 1p/lamb, an expensive mineral drench, a Bolus and some untreated. The lambs on cobalt sulphate did best but they needed dosing every 7 days to keep cobalt in them, Bolus did second best growth weight wise and only needed doing once, the untreated did better than the expensive mineral drench.

 

[Wood field]

I’ve seen the trial results a hill farm I know well did years ago part of a big trial among a few farms which did lambs with cobalt sulphate costing under 1p/lamb, an expensive mineral drench, a Bolus and some untreated. The lambs on cobalt sulphate did best but they needed dosing every 7 days to keep cobalt in them, Bolus did second best growth weight wise and only needed doing once, the untreated did better than the expensive mineral drench.

We have never given ours anything, but this year there’s some very scouring lambs, I put it down to the flush of regrowth after the rain finally came, our buyer said copper as soon as he seen them

 

[Al R]

It’s cost £130 to do them ( pro vita)
But … guy we buy tups from and our buyer who takes all our lambs, both drench lambs monthly
Seems like a lot of work to me ! But looking on the bolus thread , we had a few lambs with the scaly sunburned looking ears , and from soil tests we know we are deficient in copper
Thought the drench would give a pick me up , then bolus ewes after tupping , don’t want too many lambs on the hill sheep, although we’re slowly bringing younger ewes on and culling hard through the older girls

How much per head does the £130/bottle work out I’ve used a mineral drench before as a pick me up at the same time as bolusing on some troublesome fields and it worked out at 4p/lamb

 

[Wood field]

How much per head does the £130/bottle work out I’ve used a mineral drench before as a pick me up at the same time as bolusing on some troublesome fields and it worked out at 4p/lamb

600 head so about 21 p, that’s without looking at rates
Will check how much they need and work it out

 

[neilo]

We have never given ours anything, but this year there’s some very scouring lambs, I put it down to the flush of regrowth after the rain finally came, our buyer said copper as soon as he seen them

Severe copper deficiency (or lockup) caused a brown, watery scour here. Iodine deficiency also caused a similar scour here, but dark/black in colour. In both cases the animals looked like they were hooching with worms, despite having little burden showing on FEC.

You really need to test to see what’s causing an issue on a farm, even if only once in a while to get a handle on what is limiting production on that farm.

 

[ladycrofter]

I always pre mix so it’s just one dose !

We use 2 guns to make sure they get the full dose of each. IMO if you mix them you don't know how much of what is coming out due to things being different concentrations, viscosity etc. Imagine mixing something thick like Closantil/Solantil with anything

 

[ISCO]

I’ve seen the trial results a hill farm I know well did years ago part of a big trial among a few farms which did lambs with cobalt sulphate costing under 1p/lamb, an expensive mineral drench, a Bolus and some untreated. The lambs on cobalt sulphate did best but they needed dosing every 7 days to keep cobalt in them, Bolus did second best growth weight wise and only needed doing once, the untreated did better than the expensive mineral drench.

Cobalt sulphate is what we used for years when I had cheap labour in the form of teenage sons on school holidays or home from Uni. It does work well.
No cheap labour now so use Troyvit injection for cobalt.

 

[Werzle]

You would think clearing them of worms first a week or two before giving them a mineral would mean the minerals get utilised better by the healthier animal

 

[Wood field]

You would think clearing them of worms first a week or two before giving them a mineral would mean the minerals get utilised better by the healthier animal

That’s what I’ve decided to do

 

[neilo]

I’d do both together without a second thought, rather than get them all back in for handling again.

I’d not mix it in the same bottle though.