You must earn your keep after Brexit, farmers told.

[gone up the hill]

I completely agree GUTH, might I ask were you not telling everyone on here to vote LEAVE a few months ago? when I drew u up on the sub issue you claimed subs would go on, im not so sure now but I will be phoning the NFU TODAY!!!!!!!

Yep @Bossfarmer I was telling everyone to vote leave and I did so knowing that we would have a fight to keep farm subs at any where near the level they currently are but what I did NOT expect was for one of the NFU top team members to stand up months before talks have even started on future AG support and say that UK farmers are lazy and need to start earning there keep and that that they don't deserve any support in the form of subs like Minette Batters has done.

 

[fudge]

Well, I am ever keen to avoid delusion both for myself and others. Big business is very probably a modern necessity, but you have to decide whether society is there for big business or big business is there because of society.

I believe it is self evident that the latter is the case and, this being so, that is behoves big business not to abuse its position in society. This is not least because it has a responsibility towards the society without which it could not exist, but also because enlightened self-interest would indicate that societal health is a prerequisite for big business to operate most successfully.

Well I completely agree. But it is not the direction we are heading in. Time and again we see global corporations locating themselves where tax rates are most advantageous. On the other hand we are told by brexiteers that the UK isn't "business friendly".
Tackling these issues without international cooperation just seems impossible, and the current mood in U.K. politics is travelling away from cooperation very quickly. We just have to accept this IMO.

 

[Danllan]

Well I completely agree. But it is not the direction we are heading in. Time and again we see global corporations locating themselves where tax rates are most advantageous. On the other hand we are told by brexiteers that the UK isn't "business friendly".
Tackling these issues without international cooperation just seems impossible, and the current mood in U.K. politics is travelling away from cooperation very quickly. We just have to accept this IMO.

I'm a Brexiteer but a democrat and, more or less, a humanist first; but, oddly, a Tory republican too.

I wanted out of the EU principally because I'm a democrat. I don't see that attaining sensible, mutually beneficial, trade deals is beyond the possible for nations of good will, and I am certain that the UK will become increasingly 'business friendly' both on principal and through necessity. It is clear that the UK will have to cooperate with others, we always have, but it will now be on a national basis; EU 'cooperation' seemed to mean us financing others to enable them to better compete with us, EU 'solidarity' appeared to mean bailing out others who were profligate while watching our own services degrade. I'm satisfied that we will be responsible for ourselves, that's all.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Farmers problens started when we entered CAP .the evil as ended

 

[glasshouse]

Cheap immigrant labour allows veg growers to outbid other land users, so forcing rents up across the noard

Or you could argue that it is just another subsidy for all businesses (including some farmers) who do not pay enough wages for working people to afford housing.

farm wages are not bad, its the cost of housing that is wrong.
My men had free houses.

 

[beefandsleep]

On the continuation of subsidies, if President Trump insists that our European friends keep their promise to spend 2% of GDP on defence by threatening to withdraw support for NATO if they do not, which part of the budget do you think that will come from? Europe cannot afford the current level of subsidy as it is so in all likelihood we will all be in the same subsidy free basket within a very short space of time.

 

[milkloss]

Well, I am ever keen to avoid delusion both for myself and others. Big business is very probably a modern necessity, but you have to decide whether society is there for big business or big business is there because of society.

I believe it is self evident that the latter is the case and, this being so, that is behoves big business not to abuse its position in society. This is not least because it has a responsibility towards the society without which it could not exist, but also because enlightened self-interest would indicate that societal health is a prerequisite for big business to operate most successfully.

Well written post and I confess to having to read it a few times! Something about it is bugging me though and I think it must be that the principles are too simplistic to be of any use. Big business also has the ability to steer society which can be tantamount to abuse. As an example:

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[Danllan]

Well written post and I confess to having to read it a few times! Something about it is bugging me though and I think it must be that the principles are too simplistic to be of any use. Big business also has the ability to steer society which can be tantamount to abuse. As an example:

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Fundamental principles have to be simple...

 

[czechmate]

Well written post and I confess to having to read it a few times! Something about it is bugging me though and I think it must be that the principles are too simplistic to be of any use. Big business also has the ability to steer society which can be tantamount to abuse. As an example:

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Yes, in the film about the NFL, there are comparisons made with the Tabac industry of the past