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How's the calf @bazza3034 ?
Pneumonia
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What you mean there was a reason to this thread.....
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I think this thread has made obvious a lot of points when it comes to pneumonia, although some friction is evident. I just put that down to too many Christmas nights out, or maybe in 
I don't believe in treating every animal with a temperature. Cattle with virus will not benifit from antibiotics, unless there is a secondary infection. I have plenty of outwintered cattle that will have snotty noses for a couple of days due to having a virus, many of whom will have a bit of a temp, but because they are outside, bacterial infections are not really an issue. Bacterial infection will usually only occur where the environment is suitable. Perhaps if more mild temperatures are common or becoming more common, management may have to be altered to suit. A mate was visiting a finishing unit in NI last month, where a fair number cattle were finished on outdoor slats. The owner said that the health benefits were obvious without any doubts and there was rarely a pneumonia case.
As for stress, having quiet cattle will cut down stress for everyone, this may mean buying from known sources where the cattle are of a good temperament. Good handling facilities where cattle can be through the system quickly and a stress free as possible are a must. If cattle aren't thriving due to being handled I'm guessing that the cattle are too wild, or that the handling systems might not be brilliant. I know plenty of finishers who are weighing cattle through their system on a regular basis and they would quickly stop it, if it were having a negative effect.
A lot of guys up this way are buying larger numbers of cattle off one farm, maybe enough to fill a shed, or one side of a shed, to have as few groups mixing from different origins as possible, the more origins, the more different viruses are brought to the table, and the more stresses there are from mixing lots of small groups or even individuals. Again these guys speak of the health benefits, as well as not having to waste day after day standing in a market.
I don't believe in treating every animal with a temperature. Cattle with virus will not benifit from antibiotics, unless there is a secondary infection. I have plenty of outwintered cattle that will have snotty noses for a couple of days due to having a virus, many of whom will have a bit of a temp, but because they are outside, bacterial infections are not really an issue. Bacterial infection will usually only occur where the environment is suitable. Perhaps if more mild temperatures are common or becoming more common, management may have to be altered to suit. A mate was visiting a finishing unit in NI last month, where a fair number cattle were finished on outdoor slats. The owner said that the health benefits were obvious without any doubts and there was rarely a pneumonia case.
As for stress, having quiet cattle will cut down stress for everyone, this may mean buying from known sources where the cattle are of a good temperament. Good handling facilities where cattle can be through the system quickly and a stress free as possible are a must. If cattle aren't thriving due to being handled I'm guessing that the cattle are too wild, or that the handling systems might not be brilliant. I know plenty of finishers who are weighing cattle through their system on a regular basis and they would quickly stop it, if it were having a negative effect.
A lot of guys up this way are buying larger numbers of cattle off one farm, maybe enough to fill a shed, or one side of a shed, to have as few groups mixing from different origins as possible, the more origins, the more different viruses are brought to the table, and the more stresses there are from mixing lots of small groups or even individuals. Again these guys speak of the health benefits, as well as not having to waste day after day standing in a market.
[QUstatisticalrtheastfarmer, post: 1953958, member: 3051"]How's the calf @bazza3034 ?[/QUOTE]
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I think this thread has made obvious a lot of points when it comes to pneumonia, although some friction is evident. I just put that down to too many Christmas nights out, or maybe in
I don't believe in treating every animal with a temperature. Cattle with virus will not benifit from antibiotics, unless there is a secondary infection. I have plenty of outwintered cattle that will have snotty noses for a couple of days due to having a virus, many of whom will have a bit of a temp, but because they are outside, bacterial infections are not really an issue. Bacterial infection will usually only occur where the environment is suitable. Perhaps if more mild temperatures are common or becoming more common, management may have to be altered to suit. A mate was visiting a finishing unit in NI last month, where a fair number cattle were finished on outdoor slats. The owner said that the health benefits were obvious without any doubts and there was rarely a pneumonia case.
As for stress, having quiet cattle will cut down stress for everyone, this may mean buying from known sources where the cattle are of a good temperament. Good handling facilities where cattle can be through the system quickly and a stress free as possible are a must. If cattle aren't thriving due to being handled I'm guessing that the cattle are too wild, or that the handling systems might not be brilliant. I know plenty of finishers who are weighing cattle through their system on a regular basis and they would quickly stop it, if it were having a negative effect.
A lot of guys up this way are buying larger numbers of cattle off one farm, maybe enough to fill a shed, or one side of a shed, to have as few groups mixing from different origins as possible, the more origins, the more different viruses are brought to the table, and the more stresses there are from mixing lots of small groups or even individuals. Again these guys speak of the health benefits, as well as not having to waste day after day standing in a market.
Cattle markets are the backbone of the industry, have no doubt if there was NO store or fat markets then the price of both store cattle and fat cattle would be much lower than they currently are!
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Is it alive or dead?
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I agree fully, I support the mart as well as most, and better than many!
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Our vet would kick my arse I suggested worming without a FEC. On cattle or sheep, and he'd have exam paper ready for me if there was a major parasite problem. He's like that!
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Did you give it any anti inflam like Metacam?
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I have never heard of Loc Hicon, is it an anti inflam?
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In theory it got Metacam then.