Pneumonia

[gone up the hill]

In theory it got Metacam then.

Theory

 

[bovine]

I don't believe in treating every animal with a temperature. Cattle with virus will not benifit from antibiotics, unless there is a secondary infection. I have plenty of outwintered cattle that will have snotty noses for a couple of days due to having a virus, many of whom will have a bit of a temp, but because they are outside, bacterial infections are not really an issue.

I would. The source of the bacterial infection is the cow itself - these are normal bacteria living in the throat. If you went to an abattoir and saw the lungs hanging up you'd see the huge amount of damage done. When you follow cattle through on farms with good records you realise how many are being missed. Translate that through to reduced growth rates, poorer milk yield etc. I suspect that pneumonia damage (either diagnosed or not) could be a huge source of waste in the beef and dairy industry,

I also tend to think that we need to move away from auction marts - but I'm not sure I have the real solution. In terms of health and welfare they are a terrible thing. it would be far better obtaining batches direct from farm.

I think we need to get away from the concept we are 'preventing' anything with antibiotic - we are batch treating. It's not true prevention.

 

[bovine]

@bazza3034 did we establish how heavy the calf was?

 

[bazza3034]

Practical it didn't do much good

 

[bazza3034]

I'm still in mourning here bringing it all back to me

 

[gone up the hill]

I would. The source of the bacterial infection is the cow itself - these are normal bacteria living in the throat. If you went to an abattoir and saw the lungs hanging up you'd see the huge amount of damage done. When you follow cattle through on farms with good records you realise how many are being missed. Translate that through to reduced growth rates, poorer milk yield etc. I suspect that pneumonia damage (either diagnosed or not) could be a huge source of waste in the beef and dairy industry,

I also tend to think that we need to move away from auction marts - but I'm not sure I have the real solution. In terms of health and welfare they are a terrible thing. it would be far better obtaining batches direct from farm.

I think we need to get away from the concept we are 'preventing' anything with antibiotic - we are batch treating. It's not true prevention.

Auction markets are NOT terrible for health and welfare, far from it actually!!

Without Auction markets the beef and sheep industry will be end up like the Pig job and look how the supermarkets control that sector and how low the prices are for both store and fat pigs!!

Auction markets are of no concern of vets and hence should not get involved in trying to undermine them and hence their farmers businesses!!

Bovine, you should be much more concerned in your own business and buying things like Draxxin much cheaper instead of interfering in other peoples businesses like Auction markets, without farmers you will not have a business!

 

[bovine]

Auction markets are NOT terrible for health and welfare, far from it actually!!!

You think taking animals to a central place, mixing all their diseases, stressing them and taking them back to farm isn't a disaster for heath and welfare?!?!?!

Without auction marts I'd be a lot poorer as a vet........

Farm to farm is always better.

 

[gone up the hill]

You think taking animals to a central place, mixing all their diseases, stressing them and taking them back to farm isn't a disaster for heath and welfare?!?!?!

Without auction marts I'd be a lot poorer as a vet........

Farm to farm is always better.

No as markets are heavily regulated, the animals will still get ill even if they go farm to farm!

Without markets the beef/ sheep sector is fhinshed!

 

[Northeastfarmer]

You think taking animals to a central place, mixing all their diseases, stressing them and taking them back to farm isn't a disaster for heath and welfare?!?!?!

Without auction marts I'd be a lot poorer as a vet........

Farm to farm is always better.

How are u going to value animals without the market? Thousands of farmers rely on markets to make their living from

 

[gone up the hill]

How are u going to value animals without the market? Thousands of farmers rely on markets to make their living from

Its amazing how many people in the farming sector are working against the best intrests of the farmers that employ them!

 

[CharcoalWally]

Hmm. Without auction markets the country would be in absolute chaos trying to get all the store cattle and sheep alone traded. There would be cars and lorries blocking every country road trying to get from farm to farm to view stock and then move them.

I'm not sure it would be logistically possible. Any given Wednesday in UA in Stirling during the Spring/Autumn period , there are 2000 head in the market to sell. How would you go about trading these numbers privately before you even start to consider all the other stock in the country that are to be sold that week?

 

[bovine]

Virtual markets?

Every animal has to be taken to a market and then taken home. There is the same transport requirements.

 

[M-J-G]

I sell our bullocks in one batch from farm to farm, and sell all of our heifers and bulls off the farm too.
We have a high health status here and I don't want to dirty clean stock by putting them through a collection point.

The buyers insist on it. For disease risk it's a no brainer.

Markets are a vital cog, but from a disease point of view they are terrible.

 

[gone up the hill]

Hmm. Without auction markets the country would be in absolute chaos trying to get all the store cattle and sheep alone traded. There would be cars and lorries blocking every country road trying to get from farm to farm to view stock and then move them.

I'm not sure it would be logistically possible. Any given Wednesday in UA in Stirling during the Spring/Autumn period , there are 2000 head in the market to sell. How would you go about trading these numbers privately before you even start to consider all the other stock in the country that are to be sold that week?

Sedgemoor sell between 4000 and 6500 animals every Saturday!

 

[CharcoalWally]

I sell our bullocks in one batch from farm to farm, and sell all of our heifers and bulls off the farm too.
We have a high health status here and I don't want to dirty clean stock by putting them through a collection point.

The buyers insist on it. For disease risk it's a no brainer.

Markets are a vital cog, but from a disease point of view they are terrible.

Location , location , location. Try selling cattle like that over here Martin. It's not so easily done.

 

[ridger]

Tried to work without marts during foot and mouth disease outbreak. Nightmare! Cattle you seen weren't the ones that haulier collected

 

[gone up the hill]

Virtual markets?

Every animal has to be taken to a market and then taken home. There is the same transport requirements.

I wouldn't buy animals from a video, it was tried post F+M and no one be that buyer or seller was happy with it!!

Ref transport, your are talking BS again, if a farmer sells 30 cattle at the market they will quite often have 4/5 different buyers as the cattle will be a mix of steers/ heifers/ some are large/ some are smaller, all farmers like different type of animals.

Another point some if I buy two animals on one farm then another 90 miles away and then a few more another 90 miles away the cost/ time of haulage picking these animals up will rise 5 fold!

Bovine no offence but you have NO idea what your talking about when it comes to how livestock are traded!

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Let's close all the markets down and put even more people out of a job @bovine are u working for abp by any chance?

 

[gone up the hill]

Let's close all the markets down and put even more people out of a job @bovine are u working for abp by any chance?

Bovine isn't working for his clients aka the farmer that is for sure!!

 

[CharcoalWally]

And another point about direct farm to farm sales. As one man who used to sell this way once told me , it's all right as long as your regular buyer keeps coming back. When he vanishes without any explanation and doesn't come back , then A , you have no buyer , and B , you have to start from scratch again and find someone else , because all the other buyers have forgotten about you thinking that you only trade with one other man anyway.

Nothing in life is perfect. We all just have to make the best we can.