Warp Land Farmer
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- Hazzard County
Out of interest what sort of money does renting grass out for sheep pay?
Blackgrass control using grass ley
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Simtech now but was claydon and crossed drilled with the front tine removed, that was spring drilled and did very well I use the grass to make haylage and the key to success is having the weather to cut before viable seed set, last season I had drilled the grass the previous autumn and grazed of with sheep up until 10th april and cut before any heads second cut as the heads were just out so dont think any seeded third and fourth cuts had heads but not seen any growing in the wheat yet, more luck than judgement and next year it might be a complete mess, the only trouble I had this time was meadow brome but cutting it seemed to kill after the first two cuts. I drilled the wheat in with the simtech on the 6th Oct and sprayed the grass of a couple of days later. Part of one field was fallow and part was winter wheat so have a good comparison on which is best later on in the season, the aim next year is to follow the grass with spring wheat so any seed shed can germinate over winter then follow with WW then SB and back to grass
Down our way winter tack is 35-50p unlookered and then generally I get the landlord to look at them once a day so works out at 75p, that is for tip-top grass though no docks, knettles etc and been plastered with fertiliser or muck.
What do you pay per head per week for stubble turnips Nov - 1st March unfenced and unlookered?
next door (Shaftesbury) are getting 35p others getting 45p locally
Grass locally is getting from 15p to 35p unfenced etc
That'd be cheap our way.
-Yes
-two years is fine, any longer and you'll get bigger problems with frit fly/leather jackets etc. You really don't want to be spraying Dursban and wipe out all your worms and other beneficial soil creatures
-ask Great in Grass
-yes, it cleans up BG a treat
-definitely go straight in with zero till. We tried min-till for a couple of years and we ended up with tussocks of ryegrass roots all over the place and buried BG seeds appeared as if from nowhere. If putting wheat in behind the grass, double your normal seed-rate would be my advice, it helps counter any seed loss to earthy grubs. We've cut some winter beans in this year behind one lot of grass to see if they do better than wheat. Looking very promising so far. Drilled beans into growing grass and then sprayed it off. Clean as a whistle atm
Picture of Wizard beans cut direct into sprayed off two year ley. A bit forward with the mild winter. This area was so thick with BG when we put IRG in that ryegrass was swamped and had to re-drill in the spring. Walked whole field this morning and saw a dozen BG plants (or possibly volunteer IRG) at most. Only had post drilling Roundup so far.
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If you can find winter grazing for 200 ewes next year I'll pay you to looker them for me. Deal? Be cheaper than putting them down here!
By the time I fence it, move them and re-fence it and look at them you will be paying me 75p
shakerator
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- LINCS
Glad I'm not only one who gets blocked coulters in beans!!
When were they drilled ? Mine are at least as forward as that, bit concerned about frosts going forward !
shakerator
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- LINCS
I think its still *on* topic. There is no point having a grass ley around here unless you are really stomping hard on the BG - perhaps it also comes down to what crop we follow the grass with too? Winter wheat after grass isnt a great option after alonger term grass ley, so why not beans?
@martian & @shakerator have you had any issues with the beans after grass? I am guessing they will be follwed by wheat, but then what?
My brother and I were doing some figures with grass, and the largest unanswered question was what crop to drill the grass after to put it in a rotation? I was thinking grass x 2 -> OSR -> wheat -> spring crop then back to grass.
We thought about OSR after grass, but didn't think it would get away too well. The ground is pretty dry after the second cut and the decomposing grass etc isn't the best environment for little OSR seedlings. Also, we've dropped OSR from rotation, it's a lot of work and too expensive for too little return. This is first year trying beans in this slot, so I can't tell you any more. Went in well, letting the grass grow on a bit helped keep the ground in good nick for October direct drilling.
- Location
- Essex Coast
I grew a crop of rye grass for seed, undersown with Spring barley in 2013. Took two harvests, 2014 and 2015 and spayed off in September, so it was effectively in the ground for two and a half years. The grass residue was all chopped so I thought it was asking too much to expect wheat to grow in all that decaying root mass and hay, so went with beans in the middle of October. I was all ready to go with Crawler and a graminicide but there isn't a single grass plant to be seen, rye or blackgrass, which is surprising. There must have been a lot of ryegrass seed left on the ground after combining, so it is a bit of a mystery.
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Arceye
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- Location
- South Norfolk
Martian how are the beans looking now and what herbicides did you eventually end up using?
- Location
- Nottinghamshire, uk
Hello, what are people’s opinions on this a couple of years on?
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