Same place as me treated like a mushroom ( kept in the dark and fed loads of s**t)
BPS 15 payments England
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Hesston4860s
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Tbf im not really reading a lot into my email of doom, people have had the letters of doom and still been paid. The rpa are just ffuked in the head and don't know there arse from there elbow.
kneedeep
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LT would state,
night was day
black is white
and make a convincing (in her little world) job of it.
For the definition of
'career politician' the dictionary shows a picture of her.
night was day
black is white
and make a convincing (in her little world) job of it.
For the definition of
'career politician' the dictionary shows a picture of her.
GUTH, you've been eating too much cheese before bedtime again and then posting what you dream up on here.
Just for the record we did not know about the emails this weekend.
If you bother to read our many public comments on the BPS situation either on NFU online, FG, Fwi or on here we have repeatedly said not all of those whose payments will be delayed beyond the end of Jan because they have been inspected will know about it because before today the policy seemed to be not to tell those who had been remotely inspected of the inspection. We think this was because of an EU audit regulation.
We have always pushed for better information to be put out to the unpaid as to when they might be paid. I'm on Radio 4 tomorrow morning making that point.
The latest RPA figures say that around 62,000 have been paid. We are hoping tomorrow they will announce that this figure is now much closer to 70,000. As ever it seems to take about 3 days for money to land. So it's worth checking bank accounts from tomorrow.
This will leave 15-20,000 of the 87,000 unpaid. The RPA have said those with commons and those with inspections ( which we reckon to be about 15,000) will be paid 'from February'. We will continue to demand these payments are paid ASAP.
For those who think this payment performance is much worse than the last initial year of CAP reform under Mrs Beckett have forgotten their history. Then they didn't have anything paid by the end of January.
Guy Smith
gone up the hill
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And the NFU response would be
We are very pleased that LT and the RPA have given our members information about when they are likely to be paid, this is greatly appreciated as it will help our members to run their businesses, the main focus must now be on ensuring the RPA get the 2016 application packs out to claimants in a timely manner so they can complete their 2016 application blah blah blah...
Re reading the email, it specifically states an inspection, and 'check what we found on your farm'.... So I would love to know how many of these emails went out, and for the NFU to double check that the RPA have actually inspected all these farms.
Might even be entitled to a copy of their inspection of your farm as it pertains to you, under the freedom of information act.
Might even be entitled to a copy of their inspection of your farm as it pertains to you, under the freedom of information act.
gone up the hill
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Funny that because a lot of farmers ( myself included were paid in late Dec 2006 ).....
What regulation cites that they couldn't tell us until today?? ( sounds a fairy tail to me as they have always told you in previous years )
There will be no where near 70000 paid by tomorrow, the RPA themselves stated that they were hoping to do another 4400 payments this weekend taking it upto around the 65k mark!!
If farmers were inspected then why when you called them last week they said everything was fine with your application?? ( as this clearly isn't the case )
Are these inspections to do with greening/ mapping or both/ something else??
If it was to do with this so called regulation then why could they tell some farmers two months ago their payment might be delayed due to a remote inspection then??
These I would like answers to Guy... ( and no doubt will many other farmers )
gone up the hill
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Very good question which Guy seems to be evasive about...
kneedeep
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Who's interviewing?
Anyone from RPA/Defra replying?
Would love to hear JH get his teeth into em.
He's got the experience in't job to know his stuff.
You were paid in Dec 2006? Well that's interesting because Mrs Beckett was foreign secretary by then.
For the third time, we think the reason they couldn't inform those with a remote inspection had been remotely inspected because of EU audit requirements. I don't know the exact Reg reference.
But, as always, you are confusing me with someone who runs the RPA.
gone up the hill
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Whatever year the cap first came in I got paid late Dec (as did many other farmers )
Your job is to find out the answers for your members, currently your failing on that 100%,
How can it be acceptable and how can the NFU allow the RPA to tell farmers that they would be paid by the end of Jan only for them to tell all these farmers on the last day of Jan they might not get paid for months, are you seriously going to let the RPA get away with this unchallenged??
Oh BTW I spoke to the County chair on Sat ( who I believe you had dinner with very recently ) and told him straight that he should vote for you and the reasons why I think that ( and still do )
My recollection of the last initial year of payments under a newly reformed CAP regime was it was the 2005 application year. No payments were made until April 2006. The NFU called for MrsBecketts resignation and she was promptly promoted to Foreign Secretary. David Miliiband took over as DEFRA Secretary of State. In the second SPS application year in May 2006 a few were paid in December but most weren't paid until well into 2007. So I think you are muddling your years. Although it's not good or acceptable, this years payment performance is significantly better than 2005/6
The idea we've 'allowed' the RPA to fail to get 30% out by the end of January is nonsense.
Where did you get this 4400 figure from? It's news to me but I haven't been to HQ for a week due to hustings. You may be right which means by the end of Jsn they had got out 66,000 of the 87,000 payments - 75%. I reckon that would translate as 65% of the value of the £1.45 bn.Not a vast majority in my book. But I expect DEFRA will say three quarters is a vast majority.
I'm pleased you gave me an endorsement but knowing Jim he will listen to lots of members and make his own mind up.
The idea we've 'allowed' the RPA to fail to get 30% out by the end of January is nonsense.
Where did you get this 4400 figure from? It's news to me but I haven't been to HQ for a week due to hustings. You may be right which means by the end of Jsn they had got out 66,000 of the 87,000 payments - 75%. I reckon that would translate as 65% of the value of the £1.45 bn.Not a vast majority in my book. But I expect DEFRA will say three quarters is a vast majority.
I'm pleased you gave me an endorsement but knowing Jim he will listen to lots of members and make his own mind up.
For the 4th time, you know what Assumption makes, the email doesn't state what type of Inspection it was? Why not say if it was a fly over? Or acerage check? Get my point.... Email just states RPA have Inspected my Farm.....
Perhaps I should sneak into the RPA managers office and Inspect their computers/notes etc????
Clearly Not
Wolds Beef
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I do believe that Guy would have told us if he knew about this a few days ago. But that is no help to those of us with debts. Also I think that they are only treating LT like a mushroom as they will be covering there own backs. I think there ought to be an enquiry eventually but that wont happen either. Keep plugging away Guy!! eventually you might get some sensible answers you can tell us about.
WB
WB
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Well im more concerned with this year but the latest I have been paid ( until now ) is late Dec and that was the first year of the CAP!
The figure of 4400 is what I have worked out the RPA will pay from what their latest briefing said ( came out around mid week I recall ) they didn't state anything like 8000 will be paid this week! last week they only managed around 3500 payments !
Its totally unacceptable the way they have told 1000s of farmers at the last minute they might not be paid for months ( esp given that until today the implication was that everyone without a letter of doom would be paid by the end of Jan ) there was a rumour from the CLA a couple of weeks ago that thousands of new letters of doom would be sent out but that didn't transpire at the time ( thou clearly has today )
If the RPA knew they couldn't pay these claims due to this EU reg they must have known weeks ago, I cannot believe that if this was the case they couldn't have informed the farmers that got the email today that they wouldn't be paid until at least Feb! even if they couldn't tell farmers the reason they could have at least told these farmers their payments were going to be delayed for some time and the RPA could have done this weeks ago to allow the farmers to plan ahead!
What they have done today is unacceptable and cannot go unchallenged at the highest level!
I know Jim well, from talking to him on sat im fairly sure who he will be voting for as president and who he will be voting for as deputy, suffice to say you could have a new role at the top level and someone else will have your current role, who that may be is the difficult question...
Thou of course the general feeling is if you had went for president you would have won it fairly easily..
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