Hilly
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- Scottish Borders.
Aye but if they have nothing to pick stupid rules from we don`t get any more rules, you never know they might even throw a few away if we get lucky.
Anyone for a Brexit ?
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JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
You've never watched Yes, Minister, have you
Come on Hilly, read your posts for years, I know you're not taken in by that.
RobFZS
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We sell in to the single market, the eu lays out the standards of practice in the eu parliament, and brings in a directive to which you have to abide by, by whatever means, to get to the end result of what the directive asks for, simples, so lets go back to the start, the eu sets the agenda, we have to pursuit how it's achieved, no agenda set, no extra rules having to be made.
Just because you've bent over and given up ever expecting your government to change and get away with whatever it wants, because they know you will just back down at any opportunity for a small cash incentive, yes giving them 100% control sounds a great idea to me, that's what a government is voted in for, the less meddling from the government the better, not moaning like fvck, when a basic commodity drops and then expecting the government to bail us out, because as above, they will want something in return.
RobFZS
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indeed, just because some have let them get away with it, does not mean it is not possible, maybe if the likes of the nfu, had a back bone, rather than being yes men, we wouldn't be up sh!t creek.
JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
You have unrealistic expectations, that voting for Brexit will mean less red tape. You will still have exactly the same number of UK bureaucrats on June 24th as June 22nd. There are thousands upon thousands of people employed to create, manage, and enforce red tape, they'll still be there too.
You're totally skipping the most important link EU <---> Member state <---> Member state citizen. Your own are the ones gold plating regulations, they actually have quite a degree of control over those same regulations. Anyone telling you different is blowing smoke up your ass. I know, having had involvement in farming issues here. They may be different on the ground issues, but how the system works is the same.
If it weren't for those who'll get wiped out I'd happily say, yep, drive on, vote for out.
RobFZS
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As you say yourself, the Eu is bringing in these regulations, Massive public sector cuts, from a tory government, obsessed with an ideological smaller state will mean there will be no spare resources to create any more extra jobs for the boys, if this was 10 years ago, and labour were in power, i would say you're right, but they're not and need a 13% swing to be in power after boundary changes, so they won't be for the foreseeable future either.
i do love this blindness at public sector cuts though, they're taking away disability benefits, but they're keeping people in place to make rules for farmers to make very little back, yeh right While the remain camp is saying if we leave, the tories will ruin the environment, which is it?
i do love this blindness at public sector cuts though, they're taking away disability benefits, but they're keeping people in place to make rules for farmers to make very little back, yeh right
While the remain camp is saying if we leave, the tories will ruin the environment, which is it?
Wouldn't surprise mei do love this blindness at public sector cuts though, they're taking away disability benefits, but they're keeping people in place to make rules for farmers to make very little back, yeh right
RobFZS
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I'm sure george's pencil is sharp enough to know that going after people with not much money, won't yield anything, espc with a deficit of 75 billion to remove.
JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
As you say yourself, the Eu is bringing in these regulations, Massive public sector cuts, from a tory government, obsessed with an ideological smaller state will mean there will be no spare resources to create any more extra jobs for the boys, if this was 10 years ago, and labour were in power, i would say you're right, but they're not and need a 13% swing to be in power after boundary changes, so they won't be for the foreseeable future either.
i do love this blindness at public sector cuts though, they're taking away disability benefits, but they're keeping people in place to make rules for farmers to make very little back, yeh right
The perversely curious side of me wants to see what happens after a Brexit, however in the real world I know that's going to hurt a lot of farm families already on a tight margin.
We had a "Tory" govt here for the past five years, sure they cut things like payments to single mothers etc. but guess what, there's more red tape than ever.
RobFZS
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Indeed, but the amount of them is only ever going to reduce, if you remove one body that is creating said rules, it's not like the eu is under budget cuts in the legislation department,quite the opposite.
If you have ten thousand regulations, you destroy all respect for the law-Winston Churchill
RobFZS
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Name some red tape the tories have directly introduced in the last 12 months that were not because of eu directives
JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
Yes, cos I follow each detail. I know how Europe works, and I know how politicians work, you will reap what you sow. That may benefit those with deep pockets, it'll introduce a lot more to the wall.
RobFZS
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Yeh i thought as much, if you're going to cast blame on something, have the decency to prove it.
JohnGalway
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- Connemara, Ireland
If you want to talk decency you should start with how you talk to others tbh.
You'll find after a Brexit what I say will come true, regulations & red tape will stay and more than likely increase, payments will at least decrease significantly as either a Tory govt becomes more arrogant (when hasn't that happened) or Labour get into power. It's about people, and how they behave.
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Sitting here eating a cox apple from New Zealand.
Well how the heck did that get in here? They aren't in the EU and it doesn't have the Red Tractor stamp on it. They should be at the back of a very long queue. Surely they should be unable to trade with us and be completely and utterly doomed to economic oblivion.....not.
Better than those sour French "Granny Smiths" though.
Well how the heck did that get in here? They aren't in the EU and it doesn't have the Red Tractor stamp on it. They should be at the back of a very long queue. Surely they should be unable to trade with us and be completely and utterly doomed to economic oblivion.....not.
Better than those sour French "Granny Smiths" though.
RobFZS
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Oh boo hoo, answer the questions, like i said, Name some red tape the tories have directly introduced in the last 12 months that were not because of eu directives, or pipe down.
Yeh those tories, gonna remove those massive land owner subsidies to their party donors, aren't they
JohnGalway
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Oh boo hoo, answer the questions, like i said, Name some red tape the tories have directly introduced in the last 12 months that were not because of eu directives, or pipe down.
Yeh those tories, gonna remove those massive land owner subsidies to their party donors, aren't they
Tough titty my lad I'm not answerable to you
It's quite possible they will when they have full control, it's quite possible Labour will also. Do remember, which ever Tory minister it was promised subs did qualify the remark with something along the lines of as long as we're in power... He may as well have said as long as I'm in office, quite possible another true blue will have different ideas. A few big farmers will suit them better than many small ones.
Paddington
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I've been waiting for a politician to invoke Godwin's Law - As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches.
And it was Boris !
And it was Boris !
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