Indeed. An awful lot of cash has been made this morning. Red ink is not always a bad thing.
Protest vote backfired?
- Thread starter GTB
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Foxhollow
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Well now that the country has voted out and that the leavers want Free Trade we must get ready for:
-price increases as suppliers will simply pass on tariffs to customers, even if the best scenario is we go World Trade Organisation we will have tariffs.
-car markers going back to the old days where UK cars were 10 to 20% greater in price than the same cars in the Europe lets not forget it was the EU which got UK car prices in line with the rest of Europe, if anything the German car makers may be happy as they will be able to charge what they want for cars in the UK.
-we will become the dumping ground for oversupply of goods including foodstuffs from round the world as we will have a "free trade" which will mean even less manufacturing in this country
-price increases as suppliers will simply pass on tariffs to customers, even if the best scenario is we go World Trade Organisation we will have tariffs.
-car markers going back to the old days where UK cars were 10 to 20% greater in price than the same cars in the Europe lets not forget it was the EU which got UK car prices in line with the rest of Europe, if anything the German car makers may be happy as they will be able to charge what they want for cars in the UK.
-we will become the dumping ground for oversupply of goods including foodstuffs from round the world as we will have a "free trade" which will mean even less manufacturing in this country
opininionated
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Those 'in the know' assumed that a remain outcome was to a large extent factored into the market, they could comfortably start a mini crash by selling in anticipation of a leave vote winning, comfortable in the knowledge that if remain won there would be little market movement, if leave won they could buy their positions back at a bargain price and be quids in. Do the traders even need the stock they are selling?
the great omnishambles
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"I've never voted Labour in my life but actually in the end I was convinced by the words of people like Tony Benn and Frank Field. Proper heavyweight politicians, not these new, shiny made up ones."
Ummm you been to the ouija board again last time I looked he was very dead and didn't play a big part in the campaign
Ummm you been to the ouija board again last time I looked he was very dead and didn't play a big part in the campaign
I wholeheartedly agree, the politicians sitting in their guilded halls have become so far out of touch with the general population and last night have received a large piece of reality. It's not just our country's politicians but EU and worldwide, this is a time where we can grab the opportunity to move forward and build the UK up in the interests of us all. Hard as it is to stomach for some but there are huge cultural differences in the EU most of which have undermined us over the years. It is our National Identity that has been voted for, as mentioned above peace in Europe has nothing to do with the EU, NATO cemented the peace, the EU has tried to homogenise the financial sector and dabble in the justice system and that is where the cultural differences and standards have been its downfall.
The immigration issue, yes a big issue but it's the EU dictating to us what is going to happen that has put the backs up of the British public. Don't forget that there has been many "immigants" that voted yesterday, in this part of the country there are plenty of examples of the that voted Leave, do you not think that they would be voting in their best interests?
We now need to stand up and follow this through and not be kicked about by the EU as they try their best to milk us dry in the two years it's going to take before we can get back to being on our own.
No, they don't. Yesterday afternoon I put on a hedged bet. Long Vodafone, Short RBS. As you say, had remain won, there may have been a little more upside in the banks but VOD would have benefited too as it's got a lot of EU interests. In the end, it would have settled and I might have had to wait for the profit. As it was, it was leave and the banks died at market open. VOD was down I think about 5% so a small loss and there was some edge as CMC didn't start trading RBS until about 8.15 and I was getting the kids on the taxi....When it did finally start trading, it was down 25% and I closed both. It was the perfect bet and I'm now wondering why I didn't go in heavier but that's always the way.
I suspect if you were really plugged into the market and not an alcoholic, broke father of 3 as I am, you could have made some serious cash out of this. Fish in a barrel really.
Yeah but there is this thing called 'video' where you can watch things that happened in the past, almost like you were there. You should try it, it's brilliant. Dead people saying what they think. I'm a believer in wisdom and being dead does not mean the things you said die with you. I didn't consult him directly as he's a corpse.
In a nutshell! Well said.
tanker
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Plenty of people in the labour heartlands of south Wales took it as a chance to kick Cameron's behind..''if he's for it,then we're against it' and I would have to say that the current Labour leadership is about the worst for actual 'leadership'(I don't mean policies just actual rallying the 'troops') that I can remember of any party in a long time so nobody put the remain case across with any conviction until it was way way too late. So we end up with Farage as the only party leader who's done well out of it and Boris seemingly having achieved his goal as the next favourite to be PM.(I wonder what his private thoughts are,..'be careful what you wish for' comes to mind..)
Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
The UK has voted to leave the EU, as Paddy Ashdown has tweeted “God help our country”.
The turnout has been unprecedented in recent times most likely because “Every Vote Counts”.
Had the UK had PR (STV) in place prior to this we probably would not have had this referendum because we would be working with a moderate coalition.
What a shame that the referendum on PR in 2011 was for the alternative vote AV system and not a true PR system and so not a viable system.
http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/single-transferable-vote
http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/alternative-vote
The electorate under the FPTP has felt disenfranchised for years, I am 6* years old and have voted in very election that I have been eligible to do so in the full knowledge that my vote would never actually make any difference to the outcome, because I was brought up and lived all my working life in a “safe seat” constituency.
The turnout has been unprecedented in recent times most likely because “Every Vote Counts”.
Had the UK had PR (STV) in place prior to this we probably would not have had this referendum because we would be working with a moderate coalition.
What a shame that the referendum on PR in 2011 was for the alternative vote AV system and not a true PR system and so not a viable system.
http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/single-transferable-vote
http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/alternative-vote
The electorate under the FPTP has felt disenfranchised for years, I am 6* years old and have voted in very election that I have been eligible to do so in the full knowledge that my vote would never actually make any difference to the outcome, because I was brought up and lived all my working life in a “safe seat” constituency.
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That was the genius of the plot. Hard core Labour folk couldn't possibly vote with Cameron.
But the PR vote was a full ref, was it not? UK did not want it. No FPTP there. We rejected the idea and went back to FPTP. Now we have had a full ref on the EU. One woman, one man, one vote. The end. We cannot possibly say we have not had democratic choice. We have been asked to vote our voting system and we did so. People need to stop creating scenarios where their own preference (obviously the correct one) would have been voted in.
We cannot complain about democracy in this country. We have been given many chances to change it.
Courier
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No, the PR vote asked wether we would want AV (which can be as devisive as FPTP)
STV is the method which is genuine PR.
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Jackson4
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Were to start.. Pheeww! I really find it patronising and insulting for those who dont get their view to say 'people didnt realise the consequences of their vote', they are saying these people are stupid and they are clever, when in fact they have no idea of any consequences of how the trade deals and everything else will fall. Its the same sort of people who look at the fall of the pound and ftse and say look we are doomed! when in reality its just the usual bankers and money men buying and selling shares and currency to help themselves. In a week all this histeria will soon be over (this afternoon for me) and we can start unpicking the politics of the voting.
One of the idiocies is the Scottish asking for a referendum again after just 2 years.. how tiring! I wished they'd voted out first time but they just, well didnt want to! You voted to stay part of the uk and that involves taking part in referendums and accepting the results, we have to accept the differences between areas, we as part of the uk cant get away from London and their voting differences. What happens if the snp take another referendum and the scots come back and say no again! Jeezus.
I was going to vote remain thinking it would be safer for my job and my family, my mother and partner voted that way for in the same reasoning but to be honest i was that sick of seeing wealthier tier of society talking shite, all the secure government workers with fantastic wages and rights, londons moneymen and in the media, the lack of democracy and the way this commision works (lobby groups and throwing money from west to east to get there votes etc etc it was only when i went to put a cross on the voting card when i decided to vote out.. and i got a bollocking from my mother and oh as they wanted to vote out!
There is a real grass roots of disenfranchised and disenchanted youth generation across Britain and the EU who are demanding more democracy and an end to old ways of doing things. A real change in politics is coming and this may just kick it all off. It will be good for all of us in the end.
One of the idiocies is the Scottish asking for a referendum again after just 2 years.. how tiring! I wished they'd voted out first time but they just, well didnt want to! You voted to stay part of the uk and that involves taking part in referendums and accepting the results, we have to accept the differences between areas, we as part of the uk cant get away from London and their voting differences. What happens if the snp take another referendum and the scots come back and say no again! Jeezus.
I was going to vote remain thinking it would be safer for my job and my family, my mother and partner voted that way for in the same reasoning but to be honest i was that sick of seeing wealthier tier of society talking shite, all the secure government workers with fantastic wages and rights, londons moneymen and in the media, the lack of democracy and the way this commision works (lobby groups and throwing money from west to east to get there votes etc etc it was only when i went to put a cross on the voting card when i decided to vote out.. and i got a bollocking from my mother and oh as they wanted to vote out!
There is a real grass roots of disenfranchised and disenchanted youth generation across Britain and the EU who are demanding more democracy and an end to old ways of doing things. A real change in politics is coming and this may just kick it all off. It will be good for all of us in the end.
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- Ceredigion
The more I here today the better it sound,
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- East yorks
Yeah but Farage the clown comes on saying this is for the hard working decent people. Does that mean the other 15 million aren't?
We all have to live together after this
Jackson4
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- Wensleydale
Brussels Pro eu mep on the news wants us to get on with article 50 so they can put out scares stories around trade deals etc and frighten off the dutch, italians, portuguese,greeks etc from their own referendum. He even had the cheek to say the commision/brussel men are really angry at cameron, he shouldnt have given us hard working tax paying little voters the choice... effing hell you couldnt make it up, the flipping arrogance of these people.
Jackson4
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- Wensleydale
I would think he means the 17 million without a voice, or poorer, or with less of a future if things remain the same, rather than the hard working. Yes he is clown.
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- South Wales UK
The civil servants there are panicing !
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- Ceredigion, wales
I wasn't talking about me specifically, I just think a lot of people voted leave just to send a message and have been surprised by the result. We will have to live with the result now and long term it will most likely be better for us all but short term it's going to hurt.Sorry Dai if you used it as a protest vote but I didn't know what else to say it was much more important than that, I see Wales voted out by a fair bit so it wasn't just your vote that swung it