Protest vote backfired?

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
why this result?
1 thatchers destruction of industry has come home to roost
2 europe did and has not taken notice of its people who want cooperation but not domination
3 people have totally misunderstood the migrant immigrant situation
4 the london brigade have taken little interest in the midlands and the north
5 a large % of the voters had no idea what the consequences of their actions could well be
Immigration is not realy an issue in Wales, the out vote from farmers was massive as we forum farmers predicted , as the forum poll did show
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
I wasn't talking about me specifically, I just think a lot of people voted leave just to send a message and have been surprised by the result. We will have to live with the result now and long term it will most likely be better for us all but short term it's going to hurt.
I spoke to hundreds of farmers over the last month , I was getting 80% out, and they were not playing any game they were passionate outers so dont be little them
 

Spartacus

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Lancaster
Were to start.. Pheeww! I really find it patronising and insulting for those who dont get their view to say 'people didnt realise the consequences of their vote', they are saying these people are stupid and they are clever, when in fact they have no idea of any consequences of how the trade deals and everything else will fall.
I think its more to do with the fact that people are actually saying on the news that they "didnt think their vote would make a difference so voted out"!
Transcript of his interview....

In a segment during the BBC’s rolling coverage of events, Adam was introduced as a Leave voter and asked for his reaction.

He said: “I’m a bit shocked to be honest.

I’m shocked that we voted for Leave, I didn’t think that was going to happen.

“I didn’t think my vote was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to remain.”
 

Robw54

Member
Location
derbyshire
So many of us will have voted leave as a protest vote but weren't really expecting this result. I wonder how many will be regretting their decision now? Just two more BPS cheques to go and all that.....

The market will adjust to the removal of BPS - I suspect they might honor the level of payments for a few more transitional years. How long did the BPS have under the EU anyway - isn't it due for renewal in 2020?
 

Wombat

Member
BASIS
Location
East yorks
I think its more to do with the fact that people are actually saying on the news that they "didnt think their vote would make a difference so voted out"!
Transcript of his interview....

In a segment during the BBC’s rolling coverage of events, Adam was introduced as a Leave voter and asked for his reaction.

He said: “I’m a bit shocked to be honest.

I’m shocked that we voted for Leave, I didn’t think that was going to happen.

“I didn’t think my vote was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to remain.”

Yeah there was a woman in Wales who voted leave on itv asked did u expect the PM to go as well and she said not really. What did they think would happen
 

Spartacus

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Lancaster
The market will adjust to the removal of BPS - I suspect they might honor the level of payments for a few more transitional years. How long did the BPS have under the EU anyway - isn't it due for renewal in 2020?
Yes, 2020 for BPS, and I think they have to honour it, we are also in a stewardship agreement guaranteed till 2022.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
Yeah there was a woman in Wales who voted leave on itv asked did u expect the PM to go as well and she said not really. What did they think would happen
That was the Icing on the cake, if he had stayed Sturgeon and he would have carved the job up, there is no way she will risk another vote, shes after a deal
 

Jackson4

Member
Location
Wensleydale
Immigration doesnt come into it here, just doesnt effect any way of life at all, its a tad insulting when these disconnected socialist dipsticks accuse everyone and anyone of racism when those voting out in most places in Britain have no experience of immigration at all.. if i lived in a seaside town, pit town etc where alot of immigrants have been housed, where immigration was causing a problem in housing, jobs and schools etc then its a real problem worth discussing isnt it?

I wasn't talking about me specifically, I just think a lot of people voted leave just to send a message and have been surprised by the result. We will have to live with the result now and long term it will most likely be better for us all but short term it's going to hurt.

Nothing is going to change for at least 2 years so i cant see any short term hurts. It will all be forgotten till the trade deals come out and then the worst thing that will happen is unfair trade negotiations which threatens a trade war.

Sturgeon just been on, when a million of scots vote out and 1.6 vote in its not massively democratic to say everybody wants what the SNP wants. What about the million who want out will they split scotland in half.. what about the 1/3 of voters which didnt vote up there? It will be the remain voters, ie the nationalists who took the time to vote. She says alot of no voters have been ringing her and are now saying they would vote yes to leaving the uk... o deary dear she must never be off the phone!
 
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czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Immigration doesnt come into it here, just doesnt effect any way of life at all, its a tad insulting when these disconnected socialist dipsticks accuse everyone and anyone of racism when those voting out in most places in Britain have no experience of immigration at all.. if i lived in a seaside town, pit town etc where alot of immigrants have been housed, where immigration was causing a problem in housing, jobs and schools etc then its a real problem worth discussing isnt it?



Nothing is going to change for at least 2 years so i cant see any short term hurts. It will all be forgotten till the trade deals come out and then the worst thing that will happen is unfair trade negotiations which threatens a trade war.

Sturgeon just been on, when a million of scots vote out and 1.6 vote in its not massively democratic to say everybody wants what the SNP wants. What about the million who want out will they split scotland in half.. what about the 1/3 of voters which didnt vote up there? It will be the remain voters, ie the nationalists who took the time to vote. She says alot of no voters have been ringing her and are now saying they would vote yes... o deary dear she must never be off the phone!

She didn't say "ringing her"
 

fudge

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
If this was a protest vote I think it was against immigration. No wonder Boris looks a bit uncertain. His London centric model for the economy relies on migrants to service the rich folk.
 

Jackson4

Member
Location
Wensleydale
I think its more to do with the fact that people are actually saying on the news that they "didnt think their vote would make a difference so voted out"!
Transcript of his interview....

In a segment during the BBC’s rolling coverage of events, Adam was introduced as a Leave voter and asked for his reaction.

He said: “I’m a bit shocked to be honest.

I’m shocked that we voted for Leave, I didn’t think that was going to happen.

“I didn’t think my vote was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to remain.”

People are always shocked about change, whether they are bothered or not.. they will get over the hysteria of it in a few days. To be honest if they voted out they must have wanted it more than the known position of remain.. its just change, we are all shocked and nervous now, i'm not worried about it, a few days and it will all be forgotten, even a real prospect and opportunity for something better may very well take over.
 

joe soapy

Member
Location
devon
Well, we the people have called the tune now, I wonder how much the piper is going to charge.

Just pleased that we got the out vote without scotts help, there would have been severe repercussions if we stayed in through the scott vote
 

Sussex Martin

Member
Location
Burham Kent
Well now that the country has voted out and that the leavers want Free Trade we must get ready for:
-price increases as suppliers will simply pass on tariffs to customers, even if the best scenario is we go World Trade Organisation we will have tariffs.
-car markers going back to the old days where UK cars were 10 to 20% greater in price than the same cars in the Europe lets not forget it was the EU which got UK car prices in line with the rest of Europe, if anything the German car makers may be happy as they will be able to charge what they want for cars in the UK.
-we will become the dumping ground for oversupply of goods including foodstuffs from round the world as we will have a "free trade" which will mean even less manufacturing in this country
How the hell does that work then???? :scratchhead: Can't export because of tariffs, dumping ground because of 'free trade' :scratchhead: you certainly have a strange view of how things work:rolleyes:. Anyway, no need to get angry just yet, plenty of talking is going to happen very soon and we don't need to look like a rabbit in the headlights do we :).
 

spin cycle

Member
Location
north norfolk
I wasn't talking about me specifically, I just think a lot of people voted leave just to send a message and have been surprised by the result. We will have to live with the result now and long term it will most likely be better for us all but short term it's going to hurt.

i'm a little bit in this 'camp'..i didn't expect 'leave' to win...but i didn't want to be ruled by EU....i ,like many perhaps, are now a bit apprehensive
BUT...i agree with those saying ppl were fed up with a wealthy elite and liberal left preaching to us how we should behave
for instance BoE has suddenly £250bn to ,it seems, prop up bankers
IDS said early in the night that council estates were turning out in numbers.....were was that £250bn to help them ? white working class labour voters turned out in big numbers to vote leave....no-one listened to their immigration fears and lab are still in denial

i'm going to be poorer...but at least i feel free....what price that:)
 

Robw54

Member
Location
derbyshire
Yes, 2020 for BPS, and I think they have to honour it, we are also in a stewardship agreement guaranteed till 2022.

Going to be a heck of a lot of deals been thrashed out and i'm not sure how much of a priority Ag is. My feeling is they will continue the level of support in some fashion until 2020 as a quick fix if we come out in 2018, but I can't see it beyond from any UK government.

Isn't Cameron the reason we have financial discipline applied as he tried to block the CAP deal?
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
from Agra Presse;
CAP: the end of the Anglo-German couple?

Politically, the president of the FNSEA, Xavier Beulin, sees the Brexit a clear benefit. "For seven or eight years, Great Britain and Germany were left on competitiveness and market orientation, he says. All instruments of the CAP, management and regulation of the markets are left to rot under the influence of Germany and the United Kingdom. " Xavier Beulin notes the amazing ability of the British to rally to their positions of people in the ranks of "my German counterparts", but also to place their representatives in strategic positions of the European unit. Their departure from Brussels could give more room to the French influence
 

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