I dont want his rainfall though!
Similar, but I could probably travel today if needed (I'm not btw).
Pushing The Limits Of The Barley
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I dont want his rainfall though!
Similar, but I could probably travel today if needed (I'm not btw).
1050 mm annual rainfall
Light soils help negate this
Would be barley land rather than wheat
Cassia has out yielded most varieties over last 3 years
Top blocks were grown after breaks
2014 5t
2015 5.25t
2016 4.9t
Deter dressed seed
Didn't break 4t until it arrived
Seed rate 170-190kg/ha
P applied in autumn
Two splits of N in spring
First beginning of march, second near end, early April
Total 160 units, 192kgN?
Sulphur incl
Potash before stem extension
Trace element mix in autumn and spring, cheap and cheerful.
3 fungicides
Mg + Boron on flag leaf and head
Foliar K on head
Trace elements are cheap investment and are applied to combat deficiencies highlighted by leaf analysis
If you want high yielding winter barley grow it after a break
Second cereal or third cereal better known around here as "graveyard slot" is a disaster in all years except 2015
Calcium and decent ph is the most important aspect of growing wb
If either of these is incorrect you've lost race before it's started
I can only speak from my experience
Never did the whole early N thing
Not starting now
Light soils help negate this
Would be barley land rather than wheat
Cassia has out yielded most varieties over last 3 years
Top blocks were grown after breaks
2014 5t
2015 5.25t
2016 4.9t
Deter dressed seed
Didn't break 4t until it arrived
Seed rate 170-190kg/ha
P applied in autumn
Two splits of N in spring
First beginning of march, second near end, early April
Total 160 units, 192kgN?
Sulphur incl
Potash before stem extension
Trace element mix in autumn and spring, cheap and cheerful.
3 fungicides
Mg + Boron on flag leaf and head
Foliar K on head
Trace elements are cheap investment and are applied to combat deficiencies highlighted by leaf analysis
If you want high yielding winter barley grow it after a break
Second cereal or third cereal better known around here as "graveyard slot" is a disaster in all years except 2015
Calcium and decent ph is the most important aspect of growing wb
If either of these is incorrect you've lost race before it's started
I can only speak from my experience
Never did the whole early N thing
Not starting now
mushnt grummmble
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You lostGit
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ollie989898
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Similar to my thinking TBH. I am not able to apply N in February normally so would not go until March as you say which was the conventional thinking until hybrids turned up.
Your thinking with pH and calcium would also explain why I have seen crazy barley yields on brash and chalks.
All things being equal I believe winter barley can outyield winter wheat easily, not least because it grows like a weed and controlling barley disease is nearly childs play.
I think what holds us back in my region is soggy dirt more than anything.
Not thought about the effect of it being a second or third crop. Maybe we should be dressing this stuff with latitude in the second slot?
Definitely need Deter dressing and secondary insecticides.
I will investigate the March/T0 fungicide option. What are folk putting on, I like to keep barley cheap and cheerful.
I've deleted the photo, but I have seen some blackened roots of hat really looked like take all in a winter barley as a 3rd cereal after osr, ww, spring barley then winter barley. I did Jockey for one year for onbe batch but it didn't yield any more & cost an arm and leg at 190 kg/ha seed!
I've treated hybrids similarly enough
Found KWS kosmos a great variety but think it needs little early N to maintain tillers
Not convinced with hybrids but will travel a bit earlier of it suits
Without a doubt, very prevalent here after mild wet winter
My only thoughts behind the early N is perhaps more due to soil than anything else. You lot on lighter land probably get a quicker response, and generally happier barley so can hang back a bit. Looking at growth stages, I am going to work on the "get some on before you see *any* yellowing".
- Location
- Durham, UK
Im going to try this this year about 40 to 50 units on in mid to late feb (as soon as i think i can travel) for the reason of yellowing on our heavy land. See how it works. Also a t0 plus half rate growth reg. (I only normally do a t1 sometimes a t2))
Growing hybrid barley this year for the second time after a break from wb. Last year was pleasing despite 57kilo weight due to sh!t weather. However this year it doesn't seem to want to grow...... second cereal into plough. Drilled 1st week Oct, not that hefty a residual. Not happy, no comparison with last year...,
ollie989898
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Be fine.
Soon as you can travel whack on foliar manganese and croplift type product if you can afford it. Also N + S.
Barley is a weed, grows like nothing else when it wants to.
Would you reckon winter barley would benefit from a spring rolling? We often roll the spring barley several times to keep it short and make it tiller, but by the time the land is dry enough to kick up some dust (April) would the winter crop be too far forward?
I'm going to do half a field with the standard fert and fungicide program, and the other half with the increased dose of fert and snazzier fungides. Thats a large enough trial for this year.
I'm going to do half a field with the standard fert and fungicide program, and the other half with the increased dose of fert and snazzier fungides. Thats a large enough trial for this year.
I will roll mine IF it's dry enough to do early. April will be too late.
ollie989898
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I am not keen on spring rolling, I know you guys are on kinder soils but sometimes where thin cereals are rolled here you can see the wheel marks all season, dry crust but porridge underneath. Never sure whether it helps or hinders. Have altered fert recommedations in the past but relies on helpful weather as much as anything.
Rolling when a stem has become apparent is not recommended but a customer of mine did it once and seemed to get away with it?
Also, yellowing barley im not sure is as fatal as we think it is.
Rolling when a stem has become apparent is not recommended but a customer of mine did it once and seemed to get away with it?
Also, yellowing barley im not sure is as fatal as we think it is.
TelesnaAg
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- Portland, Victoria - Australia
Im thinking i need to roll my spring barley...where the ducks chewed off its tillered real well and green and healthy
Im nervous to try this
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Im nervous to try this
Ant...
Its too big now!
I'm sure it isn't. I'd rather mine was looking well tillered and a bit yellow like my neighbours does rather than sparse and green and small as mine does......