Why are UCN bodies not allowed in competition?
- Thread starter keith armitage
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Sorft owd git
What's all this world style class, never heard of it down here in Sussex !!.
Something the north country elite do when summer`s gone and Blackpool and Scarborough have closed down
Something the north country elite do when summer`s gone and Blackpool and Scarborough have closed down
I thought the pee taking was supposed to be on the new thread!
Simply irresistible
You need to get out more! There were at least four world style ploughs at Chichester, and three at Petersfield. There was however no specific class.
Hardly worth running a class for
True, but without a class, and the competitors in it, where will our world reps come from? In fact, four is a reasonable number, stronger areas only manage a few more, Carmarthen had six, Builth Wells, eight, Hereford and Sarn similar.
Its like most sports, take F1, what prportion of the total number of race cars would they be?
The extra work involved in running a class is next to nothing. Three bits of cardboard, and a few pounds in prize money!
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- Location
- Shropshire
Prize money should reflect the number in the class
The guys in the classes with 15/20 get a poor return of 3 places against the smaller classes ie world style as they get the same payout of the pot for a quarter of the entry fee generated hardly fair
Really is it more evidence of the unwanted subsiding the chosen few.
The guys in the classes with 15/20 get a poor return of 3 places against the smaller classes ie world style as they get the same payout of the pot for a quarter of the entry fee generated hardly fair
Really is it more evidence of the unwanted subsiding the chosen few.
The "chosen few"? Chosen by whom? Which ever class you compete in, is your own choice. I can assure you that no one "chose" me, it was all my own work,by qualifying for the 1982 national, with, believe it or not a international W4 tractor, and Ransomes 15 RSLD trailer plough, with RND bodies. There were TS 86 s in the class, though I dont know the bodies fitted.
- Location
- 200 miles N,NW of New York
this will be interesting on how you are going to work out the above, can we have an example ?
I cannot see how you can do it any other way, its the same in all things in life, some things cost more but are needed to strike a happy balance, some things pay more, just like any business costs have to be met, and yet leave a tidy profit,
and i say the word profit, as without it you cannot carry on, and give that most of the money goes into club funds, and then there is a lot given away to charity, or good causes.
and as for prize money, anyone thinking that they are going to get rich off it, then they should think again,
at the end of the day its a hobby, and hobbies cost money, and no one is forcing anyone to take up ploughing,
and where do you get that from, all the SOP get from a qualifier match is the standard affiliated subs of £25 per year, and they don't get any entry fees from any class, or charge extra for lots of entries, or give a refund for none in any class that is run, and for matches run by any club of group that is not affiliated to SOP, then SOP get nothing at all out of it,
the only reason your not in the chosen few as you put it, is because you choose not to join them.
Return a percentage of the prize money in cash according to the entry in each class, with provision for juniors , ladies etc..Fines for deep finishes, handling and other forms of cheating to be deducted from the prize pot in each class.
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- Shropshire
The chosen few = the handful of ploughman who are the ones that get chosen to represent the society at the world's.
This is the elite that are protected via means of fair an foul.
The class I choose was easy as the number of world style entrants limit the amount of matches also the equipment and transport limit new entrants
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- Location
- Shropshire
Easy to allocate prize fund
Take 3 entrants in a class there fes = £45 @ £15 each
Payouts 1st = £25. 2nd =£15. 3rd = £10
Total. =£50. That's minus £5 of income.
My suggestion would be to limit prize fund to 75% of income from that class. So they would share £33 prize pot not £50.
Then say trailer class has 15 entered =£225
They still only get £50 prize pot
My suggestion would be to increase the number of prizes awarded. Maybe to 6th place.
As it harder to get a prize as you are competing against 5 times more competitors.
Now you can see were I said the world style is being subsidised by the other classes
Many of us journeymen ploughman never see a prize cheque but if I entered the world style class I would almost be guaranteed a cheque just because I turned up.
I don`t think many ploughmen participate with any regard for the prize money nor do many organisers operate for personal financial gain. On the contrary, most matches are organised by volunteers who charge nothing for their time or out of pocket expenses. Most matches donate surpluses to charity, often chosen by the landowner. Widespread sponsorship is becoming more difficult to find as our pastime is no longer considered to be aligned to a mainstream farming activity but pride in workmanship should still be strongly promoted and rewarded, particularly when a high level is achieved without resorting to devious methods..
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most matches don't have two in the office costing ?????£k to run a two day match
- Location
- 200 miles N,NW of New York
so you would make provisions' for all but world style, your having a giraffe,
there is already a system in place for the above, It's called penalty points given out by steward's,
or are you suggesting the top 3 should still win, second and third, but with less prize money,
- Location
- 200 miles N,NW of New York
well Desmond, what do you suggest, you cannot run a national body on a fulltime basis with volunteers', lots of people could give a few days, but not full time, so office staff are needed are they not
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