That's right farms not farm so basically they can say its British but as to which of the fantastic farms in this great nation of ours it came from they can't be sure
Where did my steak come from.
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gone up the hill
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So you are basically telling her that she has to sort it out herself?? ( assuming she is a member words fail me and what do people pay their subs for if its not to help a member when they come to you on such an important issue as this?? )
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Very powerfull words spoken there.Game on.......
llamedos
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I thank you for participating in the thread, and replying to a consumer who is not a NFU member, but I would hope that all NFU office holders would have the promotion of British Farmers who are members as their fist concern when interacting with the public.
As that consumer I am pointing out there seems to be a grey area in a very robust assurance scheme.
Well if you really think they are lying or misrepresenting things then you have other avenues to go down.
And just to be clear I don't think AFS are lying or being deceptive. They are very careful about what they say.
RT helps guarantee assured standards across the food chain from farm to shelf and they convey that message to the British consumer. Quite why a few individuals on this website hate that so much is beyond me. Personally I'm quite proud of RT in the same way I'm proud to be a British farmer.
gone up the hill
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I think he doesn't want to get involved because you are opening a big can of worms with what you have found out!
And TBH Minette Batters is the person on the top team that sits on the RT board so I can see why Guy doesn't want to get involved due to Feb being very near.
gone up the hill
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They claim that they can trace a RT farm assured animal from Farm to Plate but that clearly isn't the case and thus is the issue!
So thus they are making a blatant lie to consumers/ farmers that are in the scheme and one of the core principals of RT is guaranteeing that all RT stamped goods can be fully traced along the whole chain but that clearly isn't the case so thus they have lied.
That is exactly how I read it. Bunch of weasels that lot.
llamedos
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I think Guy if you look back through my postings on all things RT here, you would find I have been one of their biggest supporters, and have crossed swords with many of our members in my support of them, showing what work they do in promotion. I believed what I read, until a chance conversation with someone unrelated to this forum, but who works in the meat processing industry, he caused me to question what I believed to be true.
I am still even after my recent findings open to be proved incorrect.
You are right Guy as I highlighted above they are careful what they say, but they could not tell which individual farm said animal came from even if they didn't batch mix them at the slaughter house because if it came from somewhere with linked holdings CTS would not know the individual farm it was on so they would be very stupid to make that claim,
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It would be if RT was confident in it's own system.............something tells me it won't happen
The statement "Traceable from Farm to Fork" surely must contravene the Trades Description Act
yep see above
they could not prove which individual farm, it seems they could trace it to a number of keepersIt would be if RT was confident in it's own system.............something tells me it won't happen
The statement "Traceable from Farm to Fork" surely must contravene the Trades Description Act
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It would be possible though costly to identify the beast from whence the steak came in the packaging but for mince it would be just about impossible as its most likely a mix of meat from different beasts.
This is why individual animal traceability isn't completely possible though it could be narrowed down fairly precisely in the event of an investigation.
So it's not a conspiracy, it's a matter of what is reasonably possible and cost effective. And there is no clamour from the public for such animal specific information.
This is why individual animal traceability isn't completely possible though it could be narrowed down fairly precisely in the event of an investigation.
So it's not a conspiracy, it's a matter of what is reasonably possible and cost effective. And there is no clamour from the public for such animal specific information.
They do know it came from a farm but which one they don't knowIt would be if RT was confident in it's own system.............something tells me it won't happen
The statement "Traceable from Farm to Fork" surely must contravene the Trades Description Act
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Same when my grain gets into the boat. Traceability can only be taken so far.
There is no clamour from the public for anything to do with RT, that is the problem with RT as I see it and its a shame
RT contribute nothing to animal traceability anyway, non RT animals are just as traceable
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@llamedos ........I think you should just eat that steak. Probably safer than all the worry of where it derives from !!
If any journalist wants to take up the challenge of actually verifying the supermarkets claims that they can trace all the RT meat back to the farm it was produced from, then good luck. I suggest they try it for lamb because from what I see most weeks, a lot of non RT lamb that is sold in markets (at a discounted price) is loaded up in the 'magic' lorry !
There have been so many threads on farm assurance lately and all have proved that they seriously need to be urgently looked at. If the media got their teeth into RT, then the brand will be finished.
If any journalist wants to take up the challenge of actually verifying the supermarkets claims that they can trace all the RT meat back to the farm it was produced from, then good luck. I suggest they try it for lamb because from what I see most weeks, a lot of non RT lamb that is sold in markets (at a discounted price) is loaded up in the 'magic' lorry !
There have been so many threads on farm assurance lately and all have proved that they seriously need to be urgently looked at. If the media got their teeth into RT, then the brand will be finished.