Where did my steak come from.

[llamedos]

@llamedos ........I think you should just eat that steak. Probably safer than all the worry of where it derives from !!

If any journalist wants to take up the challenge of actually verifying the supermarkets claims that they can trace all the RT meat back to the farm it was produced from, then good luck. I suggest they try it for lamb because from what I see most weeks, a lot of non RT lamb that is sold in markets (at a discounted price) is loaded up in the 'magic' lorry !


There have been so many threads on farm assurance lately and all have proved that they seriously need to be urgently looked at. If the media got their teeth into RT, then the brand will be finished.

And this dear members was a conversation of similar content which got me started.

Again, I must stress it was not with a member here, it was someone who works in the industry.

 

[Osca]

And just to be clear I don't think AFS are lying or being deceptive. They are very careful about what they say.

Being careful with what one says in order to present an impression that something is true when it is not, IS deceit; the VERY DEFINITION of deceit.

By the same token I could claim that my ancestry is traceable all the way back to 1066. I've no idea what it might be, but since each generation knew the next, traceability is complete.

 

[Guy Smith]

Being careful with what one says in order to present an impression that something is true when it is not, IS deceit; the VERY DEFINITION of deceit.

By the same token I could claim that my ancestry is traceable all the way back to 1066. I've no idea what it might be, but since each generation knew the next, traceability is complete.

You don't know if they all had an AFS/RT inspection to check they are fulfilling assurance standards. Anyone in the food chain involved in RT has had that audit and inspection.

 

[Guy Smith]

Being careful with what one says in order to present an impression that something is true when it is not, IS deceit; the VERY DEFINITION of deceit.

By the same token I could claim that my ancestry is traceable all the way back to 1066. I've no idea what it might be, but since each generation knew the next, traceability is complete.

And laws on misrepresentation to consumers and advertising ASA codes are quite strict.

 

[joe soapy]

They do know it came from a farm but which one they don't know

Ah, but did it come from a shippon our a stable on a farm

 

[caveman]

What pees me off as a non conformist to RT, is that when I sell surplus to my own requirement stock into the live market, it is invariably snapped up by those with lower standards than my own who are slaves to the RT god.

 

[Henarar]

Ah, but did it come from a shippon our a stable on a farm

who knows, bit of both perhaps ?

 

[Henarar]

What pees me off as a non conformist to RT, is that when I sell surplus to my own requirement stock into the live market, is that it is invariably snapped up by those with lower standards than my own who are slaves to the RT god.

have you got an image of the RT god ?

Or shall I PM you a photo of GUTH

 

[DrWazzock]

RT is an inspection service. It doesn't actually impose any extra safeguards over and above the exiting statutory regulations that it monitors and inspects on farms.

Farm assured meat is, theoretically, no safer that non assured meat IMO. All meat must meet the same statutory standards of production, assured or not.

So RT mark on packaging means that farms have been inspected annually rather than randomly once every few years or so by government inspectors. That's all it means.

Being members of a farm assurance scheme means we are volunteering ourselves for a comprehensive inspection on an annual basis to make sure we are complying with existing regulations. It isn't a quality mark. The RT steak could be very nice to eat or it could be tough as old boots, but you have more confidence that it is safe to eat and has been produced in compliance with standards.

I am happy with that.

 

[caveman]

Ah, but did it come from a shippon our a stable on a farm

It matters not.
It is up to the RT buyer to ensure that his purchases are suitable to be able to conform.

 

[Henarar]

It matters not.
It is up to the RT buyer to ensure that his purchases are suitable to be able to conform.

ahh the magic lorry

 

[DrWazzock]

Going back to the OP, I agree the farm to fork traceability claim made by RT is going too far. Traceabily can only be realistically guaranteed up to the point where the animal or product leaves the care of the farm. Beyond that point it gets much more complicated and is beyond our control, but I await to be proved wrong, though I reckon I will waiting a long time.

 

[Guy Smith]

I'm loading the first of this seasons milling wheat out this week. I know it will go to make loaves of bread but I won't be able to trace grain by grain it all the way to every individual loaf because along the way it will be bulked up with other milling wheat from other farms.

But the consumer can be assured that if a loaf of bread has the RT logo on it then all the farms involved in producing wheat for that loaf had an RT assurance inspection to check they were operating to RT standards. It would probably also be possible to find out which farms put into the food chain involved in supplying the wheat that made the flour that made the bread. But there would be lots of farms involved and you could never be sure if the wheat from an individual farm ever got into the individual loaf.

The same applies to my milk.

As technology improves the way food ingredients can be identified and traced maybe one day I will be able to identify all the loaves my milling wheat went into - but given the bulking snd mixing that would have gone on it would undoubtedly involve thousand upon thousands of loaves.

I could mill all my wheat and turn the flour into bread and sell it on with my farm on it. That's a good idea as well.

 

[Henarar]

I'm loading the first of this seasons milling wheat out this week. I know it will go to make loaves of bread but I won't be able to trace grain by grain it all the way to every individual loaf because along the way it will be bulked up with other milling wheat from other farms.

But the consumer can be assured that if a loaf of bread has the RT logo on it then all the farms involved in producing wheat for that loaf had an RT assurance inspection to check they were operating to RT standards. It would probably also be possible to find out which farms put into the food chain involved in supplying the wheat that made the flour that made the bread. But there would be lots of farms involved and you could never be sure if the wheat from an individual farm ever got into the individual loaf.

The same applies to my milk.

As technology improves the way food ingredients can be identified and traced maybe one day I will be able to identify all the loaves my milling wheat went into - but given the bulking snd mixing that would have gone on it would undoubtedly involve thousand upon thousands of loaves.

I could mill all my wheat and turn the flour into bread and sell it on with my farm on it. That's a good idea as well.

I would think it would be a rather dry crumbly bread given the claim for your farm good for breadcrumbs perhaps

 

[buffalo_soldier]

So it's in bloody legalese.

Although Guy is more than capable of making the defence.
I'm finding it very disappointing that he is the one doing it.

Yes I have tried discourse with them historically, with similar results to llamedos.
And yes I am an NFU member.

 

[joe soapy]

For me i think the value for money bit of farm insurance is the inspection on farm, would much rather get pulled up by fabble for not haveing
some boxes ticked than a fine from defra

 

[gone up the hill]

For me i think the value for money bit of farm insurance is the inspection on farm, would much rather get pulled up by fabble for not haveing
some boxes ticked than a fine from defra

Being FA wont stop you getting a fine from Defra.

 

[Netherfield]

No idea. Ask your local NFU mutual agent if they can sell you insurance cover for 'the death of Bun'.

Other insurance cover is available, possibly cheaper too.

 

[Wooly]

But the consumer can be assured that if a loaf of bread has the RT logo on it then all the farms involved in producing wheat for that loaf had an RT assurance inspection to check they were operating to RT standards.

.

Probably correct if each load went from the farm straight to the mill.........but let's not pretend that the loads that go into storage, or on boats are not mixed with non assured crops !


As farmers we can guarantee the product until the point it leaves the farm. After that the guarantee expires as there are too many middlemen.........some of whom would sell their Granny for a quick buck!

 

[tullah]

Gave up RT years ago. All my grain goes out of next doors store as RT assured. An inspection shows nothing untoward on the paperwork. And as that's all that matters to Farmerstu then he and his career seems to be a complete nomsense.