One Man to a Thousand Acres

Wheyibuggermair · Nov 17, 2017

glasshouse said:
It doesnt have to be.
All the people who want driverless tractors generally have too much land and not enough sense.

No, the the people who have "too much land" are usually the multinational corporations who own large tracts of the world and are totally dedicated to profit, and enlarging profit/dividends is usually at the expense of reducing the workforce.
Happens at every level of capitalism, the only difference being, the smaller the operation the more concerned the management is for the workers welfare.
I saw it first hand in the coal mining industry.
Many on here will have seen it in the farming industry, look at how many people were to be seen on and around the average farm even as recently as 10/ 15 years ago, compared to farms today, those that haven't been converted to upscale rural housing that is!

Wheyibuggermair · Nov 17, 2017

glasshouse said:
If you dont work, how will you survive unless you happen to own land?
Will the rest of just be euthanised?

No, your land will be 'confiscated' then you will be given a one way forst class ticket to a clinic in Switzerland

Wheyibuggermair · Nov 17, 2017

Spud said:
Overseeing = sorting out all the problems, more robots, more little machines, more problems.

How are all these 'field corner' docking stations going to be powered? Diesel genny?

At first, powered by a biogas genny then batteries.

FonterraFarmer · Nov 17, 2017

Spud said:
Overseeing = sorting out all the problems, more robots, more little machines, more problems.

How are all these 'field corner' docking stations going to be powered? Diesel genny?

In the future with robots, if one flux capasitor fails , the whole robot will shut down!

FonterraFarmer · Nov 17, 2017

Wheyibuggermair said:
At first, powered by a biogas genny then batteries.

Back to CNG?

JWL · Nov 17, 2017

I don't class myself as a Luddite but I am wary of the way new technology is being "forced" upon us. Satnding back and watching these leaps and bounds in new tech I do feel that some of it is just technology for technologies sake, just because it can do it, is it really necessary?
Take the advance in white goods in the home, the only time you have to get your hands wet is when you step in the shower. Machines to wash the dishes, clothes, cars etc, you can cook a meal in seconds that is allready prepared and in a container you can sit down and eat from. I'm sure you can think of no end of "labour saving" devices in the home but do people have any more spare time? Parents who haven't got the time to read to their kids at bedtime, many families don't even sit down to a family meal.
There does need to be some common sense applied with an open mind as to the direction we are heading, some of this new technology is pointless, yes techniques are being learnt but is it usefull? We have all seen how big business can influence "what the people want", take the supermarkets and how they can influence buying trends from Joe Public, the mobile phone companies getting people to buy their latest incarnations, it might have fewer buttons or a bigger camera but it's the latest "must have".
I wonder how they'll be able to programme the skill of a good stockman who has the "feel" for live animals, it's going to be a clever man who says he can programme a computer to work with nature

Kiwi Pete · Nov 17, 2017

I believe it could all be possible

(Just wait til they have "animal rights"

)

Sorry, just taking the mick really.
It's only when you try to replace this ^^^^^ perfect system then the work happens.

What's wrong with this picture?

Not enough diesel being burnt?
No poor slaves "improving the land" with the sweat of their brow....?

It's not hard to see what keeps folk poor, the burning desire to return to what they learnt at school: "must get a good stable job and work hard"

Wheyibuggermair · Nov 17, 2017

FonterraFarmer said:
In the future with robots, if one flux capasitor fails , the whole robot will shut down!

Not if it happens in NZ or Lincolnshire, the farmer will have an Eastern European family sitting waiting to replace the bits that have failed, at least until the technology arrives to replace them.

Wheyibuggermair · Nov 17, 2017

Kiwi Pete said:
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I believe it could all be possible
(Just wait til they have "animal rights" )

Sorry, just taking the mick really.
It's only when you try to replace this ^^^^^ perfect system then the work happens.

What's wrong with this picture?

Not enough diesel being burnt?
No poor slaves "improving the land" with the sweat of their brow....?

It's not hard to see what keeps folk poor, the burning desire to return to what they learnt at school: "must get a good stable job and work hard"

Aye, somtimes it's hard not to think the pikeys/travellers have got the 'right idea'
Why slog yer guts out for the taxman, when theres a huge group of idiots willing and able to pay taxes and supply shiny bits of kit to steal!?

Kiwi Pete · Nov 18, 2017

Wheyibuggermair said:
Aye, somtimes it's hard not to think the pikeys/travellers have got the 'right idea'
Why slog yer guts out for the taxman, when theres a huge group of idiots willing and able to pay taxes and supply shiny bits of kit to steal!?

I bet they have a better return on investment than those "above them" and are considerably happier, too.
I am no closer to unravelling the great distinction about why farming can't be treated like a normal business venture, especially in Europe?
Why invest so much time capital and effort, for so little return on it?

Why buy robots to plough, when it's a job that doesn't need doing?

Wheyibuggermair · Nov 18, 2017

Kiwi Pete said:
I bet they have a better return on investment than those "above them" and are considerably happier, too.
I am no closer to unravelling the great distinction about why farming can't be treated like a normal business venture, especially in Europe?
Why invest so much time capital and effort, for so little return on it?

Why buy robots to plough, when it's a job that doesn't need doing?

I'm no farmer, but I have some inkling of the requirements involved but, ploughing? Even with minimum/zero till, some ploughing will need to be done in some scenarios?
To reduce compacting etc?

Kiwi Pete · Nov 18, 2017

Wheyibuggermair said:
I'm no farmer, but I have some inkling of the requirements involved but, ploughing? Even with minimum/zero till, some ploughing will need to be done in some scenarios?
To reduce compacting etc?

Tillage is what unsettles the soil aggregates in the first place.
You still get folk trying to debate that on here, it's very traditional....
But to beat compaction the best bet is not to use systems that cause it.
A lot of farming is built around creating a need, not reducing a need- as a non farmer you'll probably see it ahead of many!
Everything we do seems to foster the need to do it again, harder!
The problem is it becomes futile to fight nature- and a skim across TFF proves it.
Everyone's in trouble, or so it seems.

Nature takes care of trouble the easy way.

Courier · Nov 18, 2017

Kiwi Pete said:
Tillage is what unsettles the soil aggregates in the first place.
You still get folk trying to debate that on here, it's very traditional....
But to beat compaction the best bet is not to use systems that cause it.
A lot of farming is built around creating a need, not reducing a need- as a non farmer you'll probably see it ahead of many!
Everything we do seems to foster the need to do it again, harder!
The problem is it becomes futile to fight nature- and a skim across TFF proves it.
Everyone's in trouble, or so it seems.

Nature takes care of trouble the easy way.

Difficult growing carrots in undisturbed ground [emoji36]

Kiwi Pete · Nov 18, 2017

Courier said:
Difficult growing carrots in undisturbed ground [emoji36]

Is it?

Farmer Roy · Nov 18, 2017

dunno about carrots but turnips for fodder do alright

Courier · Nov 18, 2017

I will ask Ben who is a manager at Huntapac if he would like to experiment growing carrots without disturbing the soil... ( He lives in a neighbouring village and oversees operations from East Anglia to Shropshire to Dundee).

"https://www.youtube.com/embed/MQw0IDIbNEQ"

Kiwi Pete · Nov 18, 2017

Farmer Roy said:
dunno about carrots but turnips for fodder do alright

Yeah my carrots do alright, seeded directly on the surface and mulched.
No till potatoes too

I might have to tell them it doesn't work

They'll be devastated

yellow belly · Nov 18, 2017

Controlled traffic running on %10 of the field reduces compaction and increases yield
I saw the potential 35 years ago when we mintilled but 100hp and 4 m kit wheeled too much land

Now with 250 hp and notill drill plus glyphosate only 15% is wheeled

glasshouse · Nov 18, 2017

So what happens when glypo is banned?

Kiwi Pete · Nov 18, 2017

glasshouse said:
So what happens when glypo is banned?

Going to be interesting!
I'd buy shares in a company that builds mulchers, if I didn't already have shares in a company that makes mulchers.....

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