What hours do you expect someone to work?

Beowulf

Member
Location
Scotland
I’m not sure if that’s right! Supermarket delivery drivers get about £9hr most will only be contracted to about 20 hrs a week .

I can only quote what was on the recruitment advert on the back of the van when our shopping was being delivered. You could well be correct.
 

Will Wilson

Member
Location
Essex
40 hour week is nothing really, and if we are not careful we will be a nation of work shy lefties. The nhs roads transport pensions etc need paying for and look at countries like Greece where layed back work ethic does not work, the USA have a good work ethic as does China and so does the uk(just about) and with brexit we need strong form stable base to grow from.

I see it with my three boys, 11, 9 and 6. They actually like work and jobs and get bored and Argue between themselves if they have too much spare time on their hands. They play loads of sport and we spend lots of quality time as a family togeather but long summer. Holidays etc they do need some form of work appreciation. I am sure this is half the problem with all these stabbings and crime in London at the moment, too much wasted time when there is no reason they could not be working as most kids now don’t start work till they are 20 plus.

I am sure I will be shot down for being a Neanderthal or troglodyte.

How many hours you work has nothing to do with productivity.

Greeks are the hardest workers in Europe working 40% longer than Germans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17155304

Yes I know they are statistics and they can be flawed.
 

MrNoo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Cirencester
I work for myself, start at 8 or earlier if I wake early, depending if spraying etc needs doing, have an hr for lunch and finish generally circa 5pm if quiet or whenever i have finished doing what needs to be done. Harvest, normally start 7 and maybe finish 10pm (latest unless rain due in which case will keep on going) but will still take an hr for lunch if weather is set. Always do something over the weekends, one week holiday a year but then winter time is spent in my shed, so not really farming!
 

willy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Rutland
How many hours you work has nothing to do with productivity.

Greeks are the hardest workers in Europe working 40% longer than Germans.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17155304

Yes I know they are statistics and they can be flawed.


Hey will, I think it is you, I think I met you at the OFC. Hello if it is anyway and thanks for the fags I crashed off you.

You are maybe correct but you can also be efficient and work a bit more. Farming is seasonal and 70hrs week will mean that you get done sooner and most likely work less hours in total rather than dragging it out. Also timeliness is money, poor crops because of poor timings are Not ideal.
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
I can only quote what was on the recruitment advert on the back of the van when our shopping was being delivered. You could well be correct.
Definitely not Tesco - base level managers there don't make that sort of money, let alone DotCom drivers. And has been said, mostly on part time flexi contracts where extra hours are expected to be worked at normal rate of pay & you have to justify choosing not to work allotted extra hours...
 

Cowmangav

Member
Location
Ayrshire
Local open cast mines used to work 12hr shifts. ( 6am to 6pm . 6pm to 6am ) Working week was 5 times 12hr with a half shift on Saturday. Had a worker leave to take an open cast job.
There was a 13wk trial period , during which he was late for work once ( think he was in the pub the night before ) . He was refused a permanent job. Quite a high fatality rate in opencast mines too.

So it's all relative.
 

Cowmangav

Member
Location
Ayrshire
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Will Wilson

Member
Location
Essex
Hey will, I think it is you, I think I met you at the OFC. Hello if it is anyway and thanks for the fags I crashed off you.

You are maybe correct but you can also be efficient and work a bit more. Farming is seasonal and 70hrs week will mean that you get done sooner and most likely work less hours in total rather than dragging it out. Also timeliness is money, poor crops because of poor timings are Not ideal.

I remember well!
 
Location
Devon
I expect a 7.30 start, finish 4.30 with a half hr for lunch Monday to Friday. Every other weekend 3hrs morning feeding round.
About 50hrs a week normally with extra hrs expected during harvest/silaging/drilling.
I’m looking for someone now but not getting very far, maybe it’s too much??

50 hours a week average + overtime when busy across the whole year is too much @beefandsleep, especially when you consider that they are basically working 12 days on and 2 off every 14 days, you need to either do the feeding up at weekends yourself or find a part time worker that will do it, one thing to expect the full time worker to do the odd weekend but every other weekend is not on really unless you give them a day off in the week when they work the weekend ( like most dairy farms do ).

You are basically asking someone to work 10 hour days @ six days a week all year around.

Also you should think about letting them have a break at 10 am for a coffee if starting at 7-30 am. even if you then get them to work until say 4.45 pm to make up the 15 minutes or so at 10 am.
 

beefandsleep

Member
Location
Staffordshire
50 hours a week average + overtime when busy across the whole year is too much @beefandsleep, especially when you consider that they are basically working 12 days on and 2 off every 14 days, you need to either do the feeding up at weekends yourself or find a part time worker that will do it, one thing to expect the full time worker to do the odd weekend but every other weekend is not on really unless you give them a day off in the week when they work the weekend ( like most dairy farms do ).

You are basically asking someone to work 10 hour days @ six days a week all year around.

Also you should think about letting them have a break at 10 am for a coffee if starting at 7-30 am. even if you then get them to work until say 4.45 pm to make up the 15 minutes or so at 10 am.

It’s 5x 8.5hr days and 2x 3 hrs every other weekend. I don’t personally think that’s a heavy week. There is next to no manual work.
 

farmboy

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Location
Dorset
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Funnily enough saw this on FB today. I’ve only ever worked for other people and certainly don’t feel I would ever have been able to buy my own house etc doing 40 hour weeks on farm wages. Probably average 60 as a herd manager at the moment. But really it’s each to their own everybody has different views and aspirations as to what they want out of life but to earn good money in agriculture you have to put the hours in
 

ARW

Member
Location
Yorkshire
We fence from 7.30 till 5ish, normally 55 hours a week, which works for us all, still have plenty of time for other stuff in life, we have got up to 70 hours a week fencing but you don’t seem to get much more done than a normal week so your wasting your time.
I do believe some farmers just make hard work of it sometimes
 

Pennine Ploughing

Member
Mixed Farmer
It’s 5x 8.5hr days and 2x 3 hrs every other weekend. I don’t personally think that’s a heavy week. There is next to no manual work.
it might be a case of they think they will not make enough on them hours,
and no your not asking too much on the above


on an other note
very strange thing is this employer/employee relationship,
some want to work all the hours they can and others dont want to work weekends
some wants more than their pound of flesh out of staff, others pass responsibility on to staff and let them get on with it,

you wont get a responsible staff member if you dont give them responsibility,

its is better to have a willing worker than a pressed one, so try to involve them it day to day plans, make them feel wanted, and you will get far more out of them, even a "please could you do ,,,,,,," is far better than telling what they should do next,
If you have 2 jobs that need doing, both not a hurry or need to be done in an order, ask them which job they want to do first,

the secret of a good boss, is that he need not be there to keep the job going on,

sadly farmers in general are not good bosses, and lack man management skills, however there is some employees that take the p155 and cannot be managed by the best of bosses,

I worked at 1 place many years ago, there was a lad worked there and was first to work in a morning, last way at night,
yet an other lad was late in a morning every day, and did not like to work late, yet he go far more done than the lad putting the hours in,
 

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